New Feature: Systematic Theologies Interactive (interactive)

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Jacob Cerone | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Jan 25 2016 1:37 PM

What is it?

Systematic theologians bring the entire biblical testimony to bear on specific, interrelated theological topics. The Systematic Theologies interactive curates data on both systematic theology resources and their authors, helping you become more informed about the content of the systematic theologies and how the backgrounds of the theologians shaped their works.

How does it work?

Open this interactive by going to the tools menu, opening all interactives, and clicking to open the Systematic Theologies Interactive. You can filter this interactive by author, denomination, era, and type. Click on a resource to expand it and find out more about it and the author.

Where can I learn more?

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2016 3:11 PM

I feel like the interactive is missing the TOPIC tab on the left side.

Otherwise its just another basic "collection" of systematic theology with general information telling us to buy the locked resources. Zip it!

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2016 4:08 PM

mike:
I feel like the interactive is missing the TOPIC tab on the left side.

Wouldn't that be nice?

mike:
Otherwise its just another basic "collection" of systematic theology with general information telling us to buy the locked resources.

I think this helps answer what have been recurring questions about specific theologians and theologies. It's not a biggie (without the topic section at least) but could help many who aren't sure who's who.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2016 4:10 PM

BTW, Mike, why not make that as a separate suggestion in the Suggestions Forum? It might get a bit more exposure that way.

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2016 4:55 PM

On version 6.9 for Mac with Logos Now annual subscription and this interactive is not showing up as well as the other new interactive. I have a total of 30 interactive tools with L6 Platinum and Logos Now. Please advise.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2016 5:27 PM

John Fidel:

On version 6.9 for Mac with Logos Now annual subscription and this interactive is not showing up as well as the other new interactive. I have a total of 30 interactive tools with L6 Platinum and Logos Now. Please advise.

With 6.9 on OS 10.11.3, I have 32 Interactives—including the Systematic Theology one. Perhaps you need Update Now/Resources.

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2016 6:16 PM

Indeed, mike! 

I have a Portfolio library and yet the majority of the systematic theologies listed are locked!

There should be a filter to display only resources we own.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2016 6:19 PM

PL:
There should be a filter to display only resources we own.

Yes. Yes

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Steve Farson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2016 7:51 PM

mike:

I feel like the interactive is missing the TOPIC tab on the left side.

Otherwise its just another basic "collection" of systematic theology with general information telling us to buy the locked resources. Zip it!

Yes... There needs to be a way to link theological topics to theological books.

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 26 2016 8:27 AM

This was an early v1. There are several additional facets and improvements planned for v2 and maybe a v3. We decided to get it out to door and let you give feedback on what you'd like to see us do to improve it instead of sitting on it.

Thanks for all the feedback.

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David J. Wilson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 26 2016 11:01 AM

Just wondering about the way titles within a series are sorted:
(not an issue for many denominations as most are single volume or single resource containing all volumes)

Under denomination: Anglican, both series by Francis J. Hall

  • Dogmatic Theology is sequenced, Vol.3, Vol.1, Vol.2, Vol.4 then as expected to Vol.10
  • Theological Outlines is also sequenced, Vol.3, Vol.1, Vol.2

Under denomination: Modern Catholic: sequence is alphabetical rather than per volume ID

  • Explorations in Theology: Hans Urs von Balthasar is sequenced III, IV, II, I
  • Others are sequenced correctly as Vol 1 then Vol 2

Under denomination: Methodist/Wesleyan:

  • Systematic Theology by Thomas Oden is sequenced alphabetically Volume Three, Volume One, Volume Two
  • Systematic Theology by Miner Raymond is sequenced Volume II, Volume III, Volume I

Under Nondenominational:

  • Integrative Theology by Lewis Gordon: Each Volume (1, 2 and 3) is listed as a separate resource rather than part of a set/series
  • Systematic Theology by Norman Geisler is sequenced Volume Four, Volume One, Volume Three, Volume Two
  • Understanding Theology by R.T. Kendall is sequenced as Volume One, Volume Three, Volume Two

Under denomination Baptist:

  • A Systematic Theology of Biblical Christianity by Roland McCune is sequenced correctly as Volume 1, Volume 2, Volume 3

Under denomination Reformed:

  • Reformed Dogmatics by Herman Bavinck is sequenced Volume 3, Volume 1, Volume 2, Volume 4
  • Post-Reformation Reformed Dogmatics (which is missing the second Reformed from the title) by Richard Muller
    is sequenced correctly as Vol 1, Vol 2, Vol 3, Vol 4
  • The Decades of Henry Bullinger are sequenced Fifth, First and Second, Fourth, Third
  • Church Dogmatics by Karl Barth: amazingly the various volumes and Parts of volumes are sequenced correctly !!

Under denomination Presbyterian:

  • Everyone's a Theologian by R.C. Sproul: Presbyterian or Reformed ?
  • Systematic Theology in Two Volumes by Rouas Rushdoony is sequenced Volume II then Volume I

I may have missed a few as I often need help being "systematic"; however that apparent lack of any consistency in systematic sequencing of the volumes in various series is not helping me as much as it could.

Huh?

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2016 5:45 PM

John Fidel:

On version 6.9 for Mac with Logos Now annual subscription and this interactive is not showing up as well as the other new interactive. I have a total of 30 interactive tools with L6 Platinum and Logos Now. Please advise.

Same here, except Windows with Logos Now and L6 Reformed Gold.

I've had two updates come through since this was released but it's not showing up.

ETA: "Update Now" did nothing, but "Update Resources" found this & whatever other one was also missing to bring the total up to 32.

It should not have been necessary to do this.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2016 8:22 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

This was an early v1. There are several additional facets and improvements planned for v2 and maybe a v3. We decided to get it out to door and let you give feedback on what you'd like to see us do to improve it instead of sitting on it.

Thanks for all the feedback.

After playing with this for a few minutes, these are my initial thoughts:

  1. I like this very much as a way of organizing my systematics. At this point I've got so many I can't keep track of or even remember all of them. And it's much easier than tagging them myself.
  2. I agree with the repeated suggestion of having a way to filter out works I don't own. That said, I'm also glad that it does show them; I've become aware of a few works that I didn't know were available in Logos. But the default should be only for works I own.
  3. After selecting a category, the initial view should show more than just a tiny thumbnail and the title of the work. Seeing five books in a row simply titled "Systematic Theology" is not particularly useful. The author's name could be shown on the same line as the title even before clicking the expander button.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2016 8:26 PM

Sean:
But the default should be only for works I own.

I disagree on two grounds:

  1. Personal preference - I would never switch to those I own only except for sample screen shots (okay a very weak argument)
  2. If the default is those one owns, users might never discover that they could get a fuller list; however, if they see the full list and explicitly filter it they are more apt to remember that it is an option.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2016 8:38 PM

MJ. Smith:

Sean:
But the default should be only for works I own.

I disagree on two grounds:

  1. Personal preference - I would never switch to those I own only except for sample screen shots (okay a very weak argument)
  2. If the default is those one owns, users might never discover that they could get a fuller list; however, if they see the full list and explicitly filter it they are more apt to remember that it is an option.

"Default" may be the wrong word. Perhaps a toggle choice that persists, like a visual filter, until you select it again? (I just wouldn't want to have to do it every time I open the interactive.)

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 27 2016 8:45 PM

Yes, I agree it should be "sticky" ...Wink lingo will get us every time.

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2016 4:05 AM

Since this is essentially a "collection" I would like the ability to search it- hoping this is what was getting at with the "topic" suggestion.

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2016 4:12 AM

Whyndell Grizzard:

Since this is essentially a "collection" I would like the ability to search it- hoping this is what was getting at with the "topic" suggestion.

The systematic theology resources are a "type" in your library. The following search should allow such a search. Note I limited my search to heading, large text and title to get more of a "topic" search for grace. I use a "quick collection" by typing: type:systematic in the resource drop down box:

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Erich-Ayumi | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2016 10:25 AM

I have the same problem. I emailed logos yesterday and I am still waiting to hear back from them.  (LOGOS GOLD )

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 28 2016 1:11 PM

MJ. Smith:

Sean:
But the default should be only for works I own.

I disagree on two grounds:

  1. Personal preference - I would never switch to those I own only except for sample screen shots (okay a very weak argument)
  2. If the default is those one owns, users might never discover that they could get a fuller list; however, if they see the full list and explicitly filter it they are more apt to remember that it is an option.

I agree with MJ by default it should show all information in the data set and locked/unlocked should be one of the filter options on the left hand side filter panel. The end user should always be in control of the filtering process.

The fact that it shows resources I don't currently have a license to use does not make this simply a marketing tool.  In fact find it very helpful to have unlocked resources included. If I am thinking about purchasing another systematic theology I can use this tool to quickly check on the 'denominational' background and Era of the resource.

I agree it would be great if in the future it gave us the ability to drill down into topics covered in each resource / volume which would make having data on unlocked resources even more valuable when it came to review before purchasing.

As Phil has said this is version 1 of this interactive and we are subscribed to a service that gives us early access to tools and datasets that are not being presented to us as the polished final product, I think there is great potential in interactive likes this that allow us to drill down into our resources outside of the library and search panels with a somewhat more visual approach. Users who are less confident in writing filter commands for the library panel in particular will find this approach very helpful.  

Phil pass on my thanks to those responsible for pulling this together.  Look forward to seeing future versions of this and maybe similar interactive for biblical theologies, commentaries, encyclopedias/dictionaries, grammars etc. Stick out tongue

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