Multiview - the absolute best feature for me, so far.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 29 2016 11:53 AM

Cynthia Tucker:
For example, in what situation would I choose Multiview over Layouts...

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 29 2016 12:01 PM

Cynthia Tucker:
Thanks everyone, but still it seems using Layouts does all of this. I was just trying to figure out Multiview's uniqueness. For example, in what situation would I choose Multiview over Layouts and when would I choose Layouts over Multiview. But I guess I'll have to go and play around with it to see if it makes a difference for me.I did watch the video, but it didn't help.

Here's a situation I often find myself in Imagine you have a layout when you have a Passage Guide, a lexicon, a couple of commentaries and you favourite Bible version open. Now I want to add a few more Bible versions to my layout, and have them linked to the primary one. I can use a saved layout, because that will mess everything else up.

How long would that take you to set up? I just tried it. 26 seconds, and I've got them on my shortcut bar.

How long with multiview? 1 second (I've got various multiview configurations on my shortcut bar).

Now a 25s saving might not seem like much, but I'm turning multiview on and off (or using a different configuration) several times a day, every day of the week.

25 seconds, 10 times a day, six days a week = 25 minutes saved each week, or more than 21 hours a year. Even if my time is only valued at $7.25/hour, that one feature more than pays for my annual Logos Now subscription.

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Donnie Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 29 2016 12:10 PM

Cynthia Tucker:
I was just trying to figure out Multiview's uniqueness. For example, in what situation would I choose Multiview over Layouts and when would I choose Layouts over Multiview.

I don't view them as mutually-exclusive choices. Here's some background: in every seminary course or online exegetical study I watched in which some type of bible software was used, it was always BibleWorks or Accordance using their version of what is now Multiview in L7. So I've been asking for this kind of feature for a long time.

When using the techniques available in the past, either only 1 translation was visible at a time; or, if i tried to manually create something like multiview, each tab took so much space (window borders, scroll bars, etc.), that you couldn't get very many translations to all appear at the same time. And even then it wasn't a seamless experience.

So my main text window is now multiview. By hover or click, it's much easier to see the equivalent words / forms in the other views than before. But I still have multiple windows open with historically-typical layout panels for other kinds of resources.

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 29 2016 12:24 PM

Multi-view fixed the dumb scrolling issue Logos have:

So for an example is you have 1 bible and 4 commentaries open and put them under link-set A..  when you scroll down any of the commentaries, the bible would always move according to whatever you scroll in link-set A.

Now with multi-view, the bible doesn't move anymore, the ones that are moving are just the commentaries. This fixed the problem with commentaries like WBC and stuffs, where the placement of the verses are super ackward.

If you're in seminary or do bible linked with commentaries a lot, this helps your flow.

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Cynthia Tucker | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 29 2016 2:15 PM

Just a couple of days ago someone showed me the Follow option in Text Comparison when that tool had a linking bug. So I thought all resources had that, but I see they don't; it's just Text Comparison. So I understand better now the benefit of Multiview to keep one resource stationary.

I have a layout that I've used for quite sometime: Text Comparison (floating); 2 bibles in the left pane, with one linked and one not (to eliminate the problem described above) as well as other tabs I might need like search, word study, etc;  and in the right pane about 12 commentaries, all in individual tabs, so I have to click each one to see them.

When I get the time, I will recreate this scenario in Multiview to see how it works, though I suspect all those commentaries will take up too much room, even though I do have two monitors. I could probably limit them. I only regularly consult about 3 or 4 of them, but I occasionally look at them all for a particularly difficult passage of scripture.

I assume Multiview can work in conjunction with other tools, interactives, etc. Mark seemed to indicate that unlike layouts, perhaps more than one Multiview can be open at a time?

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Wyn Laidig | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 29 2016 6:47 PM

MJ. Smith:

I use it to check the major traditions using the NRSV as the base as it has the broadest content then Dead Sea Scrolls, Masoretic, Targum, LXX, Peshiita, Vulgate . . . (I use translations not original languages) which I save as a shortcut

MJ, what resource do you use that has the English translation of the Peshitta?   Also, do you know if Logos is still coming out with a translation of the Samaritan Pentateuch?  A few years ago I had preordered it, but then it disappeared and I have not heard anything since.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 29 2016 7:02 PM

Wyn Laidig:
resource do you use that has the English translation of the Peshitta? 

The Antioch Bible i. e. Kiraz, George A., and Andreas Juckel, eds. The Syriac Peshiṭta Bible with English Translation: Deuteronomy. Translated by Carmel McCarthy. Antioch Bible. Piscataway, NJ: Gorgias Press, 2013.

Wyn Laidig:
Logos is still coming out with a translation of the Samaritan Pentateuch

I have no inside knowledge and have seen no signs that it is coming again. I'd love to see it.

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Wyn Laidig | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 29 2016 7:03 PM

Thanks!

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Wyn Laidig | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 29 2016 7:14 PM

MJ. Smith:

The Antioch Bible i. e. Kiraz, George A., and Andreas Juckel, eds. The Syriac Peshiṭta Bible with English Translation: Deuteronomy. Translated by Carmel McCarthy. Antioch Bible. Piscataway, NJ: Gorgias Press, 2013.

Do you have this as a Logos resource?  I don't see it available at this time.  I have Kiraz's original language Peshitta and his lexicon, but it's hard to use since I don't know Syriac.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 29 2016 7:46 PM

Yes LLS:ANTIOCH05DE
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Odd that I don't find it quickly on the web site.

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Thomas Myers | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 29 2016 7:53 PM

Where would I locate Multiview and Sermon Editor?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 29 2016 8:39 PM

The Sermon editor is under documents.

Multiview is the 3 parallel lines button in the resource panel.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 30 2016 12:22 AM

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Greg F | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 30 2016 12:54 AM

Does Multiview work with non-biblical texts? Could it also be used to scroll through something like the Iliad, with translations and commentaries linked to the Greek text?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 30 2016 1:04 AM

Greg F:
Could it also be used to scroll through something like the Iliad, with translations and commentaries linked to the Greek text?

It works with the English texts

I don't have the Greek text to try that

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Greg F | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 30 2016 1:43 AM

Thanks Graham. This sold me on the Logos 7 Starter Feature set. My dynamic price was $20, just about the maximum I was willing to spend for a few more bells and whistles. I'll probably only end up using Multiview, but I think that will be enough.

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