Layouts taking forever to open

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Cynthia in Florida | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 3 2016 8:03 AM

Wait.  I have a question.  When you say "delete,"  and "time" are you meaning that layouts would be deleted by a certain date if they aren't used, or only copies of NAMED layouts that have since been updated?

Okay, let me try by explaining again.

I have SEVERAL named layouts that I use as templates for my study time.  I click on it and use it, and then if I want to save it, I save it under a new name, but I KEEP my template unchanged (unless I update my template). 

So, the updated template is the only one I would need of THAT one, and the old ones I am fine with them disappearing after a couple of days.  Then, the named ones I made FROM my template I would obviously want to keep as well, until I change or delete them.  Am I making sense?

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The application would never delete the only saved instance of a named layout (in this new proposal). 

The issue here is that whenever you update a named layout, a copy is made (with the same name), and those copies are saved forever. We're talking about deleting those old copies (that we assume you are unlikely to go back to after a certain amount of time).

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Cynthia in Florida | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 3 2016 4:33 PM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

The application would never delete the only saved instance of a named layout (in this new proposal). 

The issue here is that whenever you update a named layout, a copy is made (with the same name), and those copies are saved forever. We're talking about deleting those old copies (that we assume you are unlikely to go back to after a certain amount of time).

Okay, that's perfect for me!  No...I have NEVER EVER gone back and used those old copies.  I just wanted to make sure that this isn't a matter of HOW long a named layout has been around but how long an OLD COPY of a named layout has been around.

I agree this needs to be done, especially if it's slowing down layouts so much.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 3 2016 8:09 PM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
Keep only the most recent 5? 10? 30? copies of a named layout. Also delete any duplicate copies older than 30? 60? 90? days?

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
We're talking about deleting those old copies (that we assume you are unlikely to go back to after a certain amount of time).

I'm confused. Please clarify "old copies" in relation to "most recent copies" and "duplicate copies". Which will be retained by number & which will be retained by time?

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Dave Hooton:
I'm confused. Please clarify "old copies" in relation to "most recent copies" and "duplicate copies".

In all cases we're talking about multiple layout snapshots with the same name. Create a layout called "My Amazing Layout". Update it twice. You now have three "copies". One is "the most recent copy". Two are "old copies". "Duplicate copies" is probably a bad name; I meant "additional versions of a named layout with the same name".

Dave Hooton:
Which will be retained by number & which will be retained by time?

That's the question I'm asking for input on.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 4 2016 6:07 AM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
Logos 7 will automatically purge old unnamed layouts

Are these "snapshots" and "Application closed"? On what basis are they purged?

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
Create a layout called "My Amazing Layout". Update it twice. You now have three "copies". One is "the most recent copy". Two are "old copies"

I have 7 copies. If the five "most recent" will be kept that means there are two "old copies"; which will be deleted after a certain time? Which also means that the five "most recent" copies of every layout will be kept forever??

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Will the app consider Laptop 6 and Desktop 6 for deletion, or only consider them in the occurrence from which they were synced?

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 4 2016 6:27 AM

Dave Hooton:

Will the app consider Laptop 6 and Desktop 6 for deletion, or only consider them in the occurrence from which they were synced?

Whether you have 5 named layouts or 50 named layouts, the most recent of every named layout will always be retained (regardless of which device they were synced from). The app would never delete the latest version of any named layout, regardless of the total number of layouts you have, or how much time has passed. You can expect to always have at least one copy of each named layout.

Any future deletion would only affect older versions (copies, duplicates) of each named layout. These would be the ones with orange comments, in the screenshot:

As for whether it would keep 5/10/??? copies of each named layout, or merely delete older copies of a named layout once 30/60/??? days have passed, that's what Bradley is asking us to suggest, that Logos might implement what most people prefer.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 4 2016 6:56 AM

Although I don't use layouts myself, I think it would be sensible to have the following rules:

  1. Never delete the most recent copy of a saved layout.
  2. Keep a maximum of five versions of each saved layout.
  3. Delete old versions of saved layouts after thirty days.
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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 4 2016 7:17 AM

Mark Barnes:

  1. Never delete the most recent copy of a saved layout.
  2. Keep a maximum of five versions of each saved layout.
  3. Delete old versions of saved layouts after thirty days.

The first rule is a guaranteed certainty! (It's good to state it to resolve any confusion.)

The third rule might mean that there is only the most recent copy of a saved layout, when all other copies of that layout are older than 30 days. Is it acceptable to eventually only have one version of each saved layout? (Probably so, but just want people to be aware of what that means.)

Since the third rule trumps the second rule, the second rule ends up as, "Keep a maximum of five versions of each saved layout within the last 30 days."

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 4 2016 8:16 AM

PetahChristian:
Since the third rule trumps the second rule, the second rule ends up as, "Keep a maximum of five versions of each saved layout within the last 30 days."

That makes sense to me.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 4 2016 8:21 AM

PetahChristian:
Since the third rule trumps the second rule, the second rule ends up as, "Keep a maximum of five versions of each saved layout within the last 30 days."

Agreed. But I kept them separate because I thought some people might say, "I agree with rule (2), but would prefer not to have rule (3)", or vice versa.

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Gary Mendenhall | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 4 2016 8:42 AM

Hi Bruce,

Was just wondering if you have had any resolution to this problem of slow opening layouts. 

The thread seems to be leaning towards a problem with the accumulation of layouts building up and not being purged.  I checked this in my Logos and found that I also had many instances as displayed on the right hand side of the Layouts dropdown (not near as many as you however).  I use layouts extensively, as you mentioned you do as well, but I only have 7 created, named and saved layouts on the left hand side.  My most used study layout has 3 frames (or panels; forgive me, not certain of the nomenclature) and a combined total of 25 tabs as well as the Info panel.  It takes me 23 seconds to launch this layout and be able to use it

I deleted all of the extra layouts that had accumulated on the right side of the Layouts dropdown individually (very time consuming) so that all that remained were the latest updates of my 7 created layouts.  After doing this and re-launching Logos I did not experience any significant decrease in the launch time for the layouts that I have.  As mentioned by another poster in this thread I now manually purge the older updated layouts daily before I close Logos.  I also noticed that every time I shut Logos down an instance of "Application Closed" shows up and wants to accumulate in the right hand side of the Layouts dropdown. Could be by design but not sure of the significance.

I know that I am not experiencing the time delays that you have and I didn't have near the number of accumulated saves on the right side nor anywhere near your number of created saved layouts on the left but it makes me wonder if this is what is causing the delay for you or the problem lies elsewhere.

Anyway, I was just checking to see if the Logos Desktop Team has reached a definitive answer and solution for you regarding this problem or if you are still experiencing 3+ minute delays..

Blessings,

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 4 2016 9:08 AM

Mark Barnes:

Agreed. But I kept them separate because I thought some people might say, "I agree with rule (2), but would prefer not to have rule (3)", or vice versa.

I think both rules effectively work well together, and it is a good proposal as it stands, Mark.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 4 2016 11:51 AM

Gary Mendenhall:
Anyway, I was just checking to see if the Logos Desktop Team has reached a definitive answer and solution for you regarding this problem or if you are still experiencing 3+ minute delays..

Thanks for asking Gary. I'm sure that the desktop team is working on it but I have not yet received any resolution to how long layouts take to open. I think they are watching this thread closely as they determine the best way to proceed. I'm looking forward to having this resolved in due time. Thanks again!

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 23 2016 4:49 AM

I'm just checking in again to ask someone at Faithlife if any progress has been made on this issue. Lately I have noticed what seems to be a slight improvement on loading my layouts but it still took 1 minute and 40 seconds to load.

Thanks.

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Gary Mendenhall | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 23 2016 9:46 AM

Thanks for staying on top of this Bruce.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 28 2016 5:42 AM

Bump...an update would be appreciated.

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Bruce Dunning:

Bump...an update would be appreciated.

There is no new news to report on this issue.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 29 2016 12:58 PM

Thanks Andrew. I'll just have to be patient and wait.

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Bill Cook | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 31 2016 7:29 AM

I like Mark's proposed rules above.

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