New Feature: Fuzzy Bible Search
What is it?
Fuzzy Bible Search is a new feature in the Logos Cloud Feature Set that helps you find that verse you can't quite recall-- or maybe you learned it in another translation, and your current Bible version uses another word. Type in the phrase as best as you remember, and Fuzzy Search will return a list of verses ranked by best match.
Logos Now membership or Logos Cloud (levels Plus and higher) subscription is required.
How does it work?
- Open Basic Search set to search Everything, and enter your query.
- Fuzzy Search sends your search to an online database. (Internet connection is required.)
- The search is run against multiple English translations, and best matches are returned to your search panel.
- Results are displayed in your preferred version of the Bible, with the most likely match at the top.
Learn More
Video: https://www.logos.com/logos-pro/fuzzy-bible-search
Help article (Opens in Logos): https://ref.ly/logosres/logos4help;hw=Morph_Query_Document
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Adam Borries (Faithlife) said:
Logos Now membership or Logos Cloud subscription is required.
I assume this means it isn't a local search and also requires an internet connection to Faithlife servers to work?
Was there a reason this couldn't be implemented as a local index search?
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Oh, for goodness sakes, Todd.
When I saw the Graham beta query (Graham's pretty logical), I thought to myself 'Oh my. I hope this is for Now'ers only. And internet only for when L8 appears.'
Then I saw Adam's thread. Whew!!!! Dodged that bullet! Cludges up the search panel and fake FL.
I tried out the old fuzzy on Libby ... that I think I paid for. It's a misnomer, but I'm happy Logos is keeping it on their server. I'm happy for the loss.
MJ really wanted FL ... I wonder if she likes this.
EDIT:
I assume they ported the Libby code, though a Basic search for Bible only will keep some MVPs busy unconfusing the users.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Todd Phillips said:
Was there a reason this couldn't be implemented as a local index search?
I imagine it uses a very specific database designed for this feature, which would consume a lot of space on our local file system.
When we consider that a Concordance can be up to 0.5 Gb for a single bible version, and that fuzzy logic has to search for words that could occur in any bible translation, the question isn't whether it can be implemented locally, but whether it can efficiently be run locally without consuming lots more disk space.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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I choose to believe that it just runs a Google search and pulls the Scripture references on the first page.
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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Adam, the more I try to duplicate your example, the more I do not see "FUZZY BIBLE SEARCH." Can you tell me what I'm doint wrong?
Jack [Platinum V5 (IH) Logos Now]
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Justin Gatlin said:
I choose to believe that it just runs a Google search and pulls the Scripture references on the first page.
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MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Jack Hairston said:
I do not see "FUZZY BIBLE SEARCH."
This is currently available on the beta update channel. Sorry, Jack and everyone, I should have posted in the beta forum. I'll move it now.
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Tried a few purposely mangled searches so far - this is very sweet! Thank you Faithlife!
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Justin Gatlin said:
I choose to believe that it just runs a Google search and pulls the Scripture references on the first page.
Brilliant. And, sadly, would probably give the best results.
-Donnie
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Donnie Hale said:Justin Gatlin said:
I choose to believe that it just runs a Google search and pulls the Scripture references on the first page.
Brilliant. And, sadly, would probably give the best results.
[:^)] Noticed Google search has Philippians 4:13 on first page of search results, which is not in Fuzzy Bible Search results. First page of Google has 1 Peter 5:7 while Fuzzy Bible Search has 1 Peter 5:6-8
Keep Smiling [:)]
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I have the Beta and Logos Cloud but can see no "Fuzzy Search".
Do I need to install it or ...?
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Owen Frethey said:
I have the Beta and Logos Cloud but can see no "Fuzzy Search".
Apologies, Owen,
Fuzzy Search is available in Logos Cloud levels Plus and higher. Updated the original post with correction.
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Owen Frethey said:
I have the Beta and Logos Cloud but can see no "Fuzzy Search".
Do I need to install it or ...?
Logos 7.2 Beta 3 added "Fuzzy Bible Search" to Everything (Basic) Search.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Thank s Adam.
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Fantastic!
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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Is there any chance this will come to the web app?
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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This looks great! I would LOVE to have it!
Adam Borries (Faithlife) said:Fuzzy Search sends your search to an online database. (Internet connection is required.)
Is this temporary or permanent?
If temporary, Hallelujah!
If permanent, maybe I will use it someday, a little. Probably I will shrug and just go back to Google. Online use of Logos features is unreliable where I live, which might not be true for other people.
If Permanent, is it worth starting over with a new User Voice to get local Fuzzy Logic Searching? Or would that take many years, or just never happen?
Also....
Will it only be available by doing an Everything Search? [Crickets...]
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Gao Lu said:Adam Borries (Faithlife) said:
Fuzzy Search sends your search to an online database. (Internet connection is required.)
Is this temporary or permanent?
This is permanent for the forseeable future. Apply standard qualifiers about our flawed ability to predict the future.
Gao Lu said:Will it only be available by doing an Everything Search? [Crickets...]
There are plans to integrate this into other parts of the application, but I don't have any details as to when or if this when be completed.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Denise said:
MJ really wanted FL ... I wonder if she likes this.
I wanted it for two reasons:
- The number of complaints that it wasn't present - check this one off
- To search the church fathers who are frequently loosely quoted - still waiting
Denise said:I assume they ported the Libby code,
No, the algorithm is quite different. I've been unsuccessful in my bid for a comparison of the results.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
To search the church fathers who are frequently loosely quoted - still waiting
A global fuzzy search would excellent for this type of situation. There are many like it. Searching for quotes in translated works is difficult because of the many translations (not just loose quoting). Also searching for misquoted phrases would benefit from fuzzy search to help find the accurate quote.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Why I cannot replicate in my logos7 the demo video? Please tell me what I missed. Thanks a lot for help.
God bless everyone.
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GCFSR said:
Why I cannot replicate in my logos7 the demo video?
Because since the video was made there have been changes to how results are ranked.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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In the demo, the result has 4996 results while in my logos I have only 273 results. I am wondering if it has to do with the package I have. I have only gold.
However I tried to check manually Gen 49:10 in ESV, "scepter" is there but my logos failed to show it.
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You are right. It showed Gen 49:10 in the last part of the list. It seems my logos has different ranking. I need to explore how to change the ranking.
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Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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GCFSR said:
In the demo, the result has 4996 results while in my logos I have only 273 results. I am wondering if it has to do with the package I have. I have only gold.
However I tried to check manually Gen 49:10 in ESV, "scepter" is there but my logos failed to show it.
The number of results is not particularly significant with Fuzzy Bible Search. Your library ownership has no bearing on the results that are returned. The intended use of the search is to help you find a passage when you do not remember the exact wording. It works best with phrases (not single words or lists of words), and it doesn't attempt to return all possible verses that include the terms your enter. If you want an exhaustive list of all verses with those words, try switching to a Bible search, or use a Basic search on just your ESV (if you want words that appear in a chapter together rather than in the same verse).
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Adam Borries (Faithlife) said:
Logos Now membership or Logos Cloud (levels Plus and higher) subscription is required.
Hm, is there a reason why it's not being made available to users who purchased a Logos 3 (Libronix) base package in the past, and therefore already own and paid for this feature for a previous software version...?
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Jan Krohn said:Adam Borries (Faithlife) said:
Logos Now membership or Logos Cloud (levels Plus and higher) subscription is required.
Hm, is there a reason why it's not being made available to users who purchased a Logos 3 (Libronix) base package in the past, and therefore already own and paid for this feature for a previous software version...?
Despite the same name, this new feature operates in a fundamentally differently fashion than the L3 fuzzy search, and is a completely different feature. The old feature searched any single resource in a fuzzy fashion. This new feature instead looks for exact (nearly exact) matches across all Bibles (and some datasets) and uses statistical mechanisms to rank the to find the closest matching Bible verses. For this reason, the new feature works only in Bibles and not in any other kinds of resources.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Thanks Andrew for the explanation.
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