Search for Imperatives

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Raif | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2016 7:20 AM

I have been trying to figure this out all morning, and I am sure there is a simple solution I am just overlooking.

How do I run a search to find all imperative forms of the word "pray," regardless of Greek or Hebrew?

Thanks in advance,

Raif

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2016 7:57 AM

Raif:
How do I run a search to find all imperative forms of the word "pray," regardless of Greek or Hebrew?

Not technically searching for imperatives but how does this do?

pray WITHIN {Section <PropositionalOutline = Command>}

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Sascha John | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2016 8:04 AM

Hi Ralf

what I dit

1. create a viual Filter for imperative

2. Inlinesearch on pray

3. see Filter Highlight (but I just have one Filter)

I thought you could search the Filter...

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Sascha John | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2016 8:05 AM

Graham has the better one

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2016 8:21 AM

In the NT you can do a specific Imperative search

"pray WITHIN {Section <Sentence = Imperative>}"

Note - these options require certain datasets and so may not be available depending on what version of the software / what packages you are using

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Schumitinu | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2016 8:38 AM

I would do a morph search in a reverse interlinear Bible like this:

(<LogosMorphGr ~ V??M????> OR <LogosMorphHeb ~ V?M??????>) WITHIN 0 WORDS pray

This looks up where the imperative verb form is used underneath every English word "pray". Since there are other words that have the meaning to pray, you could do the following search:

(<LogosMorphGr ~ V??M????> OR <LogosMorphHeb ~ V?M??????>) WITHIN 0 WORDS (<Sense to pray> OR <Sense to pray (petition)>)

One would thing that all the hits from the first search are included in this one. That is not the case. Apparently we miss one or two Senses still. So you had to compare the hits and find out what Senses is used in the hits that don't appear in the second search, and add it to the search syntax.

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Raif | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2016 9:28 AM

Thanks for the responses. Apparently it's a little more complicated than I had envisioned. 

I had thought it would be something like pray@v??m.

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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2016 10:15 AM

Graham Criddle:

In the NT you can do a specific Imperative search

"pray WITHIN {Section <Sentence = Imperative>}"

Note - these options require certain datasets and so may not be available depending on what version of the software / what packages you are using

Note, however, that "Imperative" in this case does not directly track with verb mood; instead, it indicates when a sentence performs an imperative function (see the Sentence Types Dataset Documentation for more information).

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Schumitinu | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2016 11:08 AM

Raif:

Thanks for the responses. Apparently it's a little more complicated than I had envisioned. 

I had thought it would be something like pray@v??m.

Then you have to use the lemma. For example for Greek:

lemma:προσεύχομαι@V??M

For Hebrew:

lemma:פלל@V?M 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2016 12:18 PM

Schumitinu:

For example for Greek:

lemma:προσεύχομαι@V??M

Morph Search shows LXX has 8 results:

pray WITHIN {Section <PropositionalOutline = Command>}

has more results. Morph Search can be modified to add another lemma:

lemma:προσεύχομαι@V??M OR lemma:δέομαι@V??M

Matthew 6:7 and 26:36 have participle of lemma:προσεύχομαι being used in an imperative sentence.

Schumitinu:

For Hebrew:

lemma:פלל@V?M 

Expanded Hebrew and Aramaic Search to find many LXX translations in a Hebrew Bible

lemma:פלל@V?M OR lemma:עתר@V?M OR lemma:חלה:1@V?M OR lemma:פלל@VgI2MS-J OR (<Lemma = lbs/arc/שׁפר> ANDEQUALS <LogosMorphAram ~ VrI3MS-J?>)

Jeremiah has lemma:פלל@VgI2MS-J that has LXX imperative translation.

Daniel 4:24 has imperative translation in LXX while being imperfect in Aramaic.

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