What makes Logos 7 better than 6?

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John Graves | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Nov 15 2016 12:54 PM

Just curious. I've got quite an extensive library but quit upgrading after Logos 6. Is there any reason to upgrade? What new features in the crossgrade/packages make worth it for you?

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Keith Pang | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 15 2016 1:03 PM

Hey John, I believe it is worth it. It depends on what you use Logos for honestly. I think Logos Now is a great option for you. It gives you all the new features as well as the new ones they release every 6 weeks or so. Also, Bible Browser is a Logos Now feature that is really cool. Again you could just buy the full feature set too without getting more books.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 15 2016 1:17 PM

I mostly use Logos for Mobile Ed, so Courses tool and Multiview are the two new features I use daily. I also really appreciate the Quickstart Layout options.

Depending on your needs, you might be satisfied with the free L7 Core Engine, due out in February. It really depends on whether you need anything offered in the feature pack, or Logos Now subscription (for the online-only features).

Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 15 2016 1:31 PM

PetahChristian:
Logos Now subscription (for the online-only features).

Logos 7.2 includes Fuzzy Bible Search for Logos Now and Verbum Now (and Cloud subscribers: plus or higher)

Searching for a phrase that is not in the Bible finds many references to consider.

Lord helps those who help themselves

Searching for words that do appear in the same verse also finds more references to consider

thanks everything

Logos wiki has Online Only that includes three more features that are available only to Now members or Cloud subscribers:

Bible Browser  Logos Now or Verbum Now

Lemma in Passage  Logos Now , Verbum Now , Logos Cloud or Verbum Cloud (Cloud subscription needs Plus or higher)

Logos Web App (Beta) Logos Now , Verbum Now , Logos Cloud or Verbum Cloud

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Keith Pang | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 15 2016 2:07 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

PetahChristian:
Logos Now subscription (for the online-only features).

Lord helps those who help themselves

LOL glad for this search to prove that this popular saying is not from Scripture Wink

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 15 2016 2:39 PM

Logos 7 comes with the following. I've marked my favorites with <== but depending on your use, yours will vary.

What's Included in Logos 7

New to Logos 7.0 Release

Datasets

  1. Figurative Language of New Testament: a fresh analysis of the NT's figurative language <==
  2. Longacre Genre Analysis: an application of Longacre's genre schema to the Bible
  3. Sentence Types of New Testament: an analysis of all sentences in the NT into declarative, interrogative, and exclamatory
  4. Speech Acts of the New Testament: similar to the above, but using speech acts
  5. Hebrew Grammatical Constructions: a database that identifies many key constructions in Hebrew

Features​

  1. Bible Browser (subscription only): a faceted browsing tool for accessing our rich data on the Bible by simply using your mouse instead of learning complicated search syntax
  2. Sermon Editor: a new tool for building your sermon manuscript, outline, handout, and slides right in Logos.
  3. Courses: a guided learning platform for working through Mobile Ed courses and other structured learning content
  4. Quickstart Layouts: starting points that integrate content and tools around a task or theme

Interactives 

  1. Exploring Bible Manuscripts: an educational interactive guide through biblical manuscripts
  2. An Empty Tomb: a look inside a first-century tomb that sheds light on the setting for Jesus' burial
  3. Text Comparison Interlinear New Testament dataset: the data that backs the new Text Comparison interlinear view

Improved Previous and Logos Now Features

  1. Text Comparison​​ Tool: infinite scroll and a new interlinear view that organizes translations against the underlying Greek or Hebrew text
  2. Media Tool: a way to find and create sharable media (combines Visual Copy and Media Browser)
  3. Biblical Event Navigator: new UI
  4. Miracles of the Bible: added bubble visualizations

Interlinears

  1. Lexham Dead Sea Scrolls Hebrew-English Interlinear Bible
  2. Lexham Latin-English Interlinear Vulgate Bible<==
  3. The Latin-Greek Reverse Interlinear Vulgate Deuterocanonical Old Testament <==
  4. The Latin-Greek Reverse Interlinear Vulgate New Testament<==
  5. The Latin-Greek Reverse Interlinear Vulgate: Deuterocanonical Old Testament, Variant Alignments<==
  6. The Latin-Hebrew Reverse Interlinear Vulgate Old Testament<==
  7. The English-Greek Reverse Interlinear Deuterocanonical Old Testament Revised Standard Version, Catholic Edition<==

Media Collections

  1. Faithlife Animations (subscription only)
  2. deSilva Teaching Materials, vol. 2 (subscription only)
  3. Mars Hill Media Collection (subscription only)
  4. Lexham Bible Dictionary Videos (subscription only)

Resources

  1. Geographic Commentary

Other Logos 7 Features 

Datasets

  1. Discourse Datasets and Visual Filters (Subscription Only)
  2. New Feature: Cascadia Syntax Graphs of LXX Deuterocanon and Apocrypha 
  3. Miracles of the Bible <==
  4. Syntactic Force 
  5. Speaking to God <==
  6. Proverbs Explorer, vol. 2 
  7. Biblical Theologies Section
  8. Israelite Sacrifices
  9. Reported Speech, Speakers, and Addressees for Deuterocanon<==
  10. New Testament Use of the Old<==
  11. Confessional Documents Section<==
  12. Proverbs Explorer Dataset<==
  13. Bullinger's Figures of Speech Dataset<==
  14. Addressees in Reported Speech <==
  15. Greek Grammatical Constructions 
  16. Old Testament Propositional Bible Outlines 
  17. Psalms Explorer Dataset <==
  18. RSVCE Hebrew Old Testament Reverse Interlinear 
  19. Systematic Theologies Section 

Features

  1. Logos web app (Access to the beta of the Logos web app; Subscription only)
  2. Lemma in Passage (Subscription only)
  3. Emphasize Active Lemmas 
  4. Link a Lexicon to a Bible 
  5. Custom Home Page Layouts 
  6. Personal Letters Section
  7. Reader's Edition Interlinear
  8. Corresponding Notes and Highlights<==
  9. Passage List Visual Filter<==
  10. Concordance <==
  11. Corresponding Words Visual Filter <==
  12. Courses Tool 
  13. Grammars guide section 
  14. Greek Grammatical Constructions guide section
  15. Media Tool 
  16. Multiview Resources <==

Interactives

  1. Miracles of the Bible <==
  2. Speaking to God <==
  3. Systematic Theologies Interactive 
  4. Hebrew Bible Manuscript Explorer<==
  5. Names of God: Deuterocanon <==
  6. Proverbs Explorer, vol. 2<==
  7. New Testament Use of the Old Testament <==
  8. Synopsis of Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles<==
  9. Before and After Vol 2 
  10. Commandments of the Law<==
  11. Names of God Interactive 
  12. Narrative Character Maps Vol 2 
  13. New Testament Manuscript Explorer <==
  14. Septuagint Manuscript Explorer<==

Resources

  1. Parallel Passages in the Pauline Epistles <==

Media

  1. Proverbs Verse Art Collection (6.7)
  2. Author Slide Templates
  3. BibleScreen Animations
  4. Logos Media Archive, vol. 2
  5. Logos Stock Images, vol. 2
  6. LogosPro Training Videos
  7. Visual Copy Templates

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John Graves | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 16 2016 7:43 AM

Hey thanks everyone for your input it means a lot!

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 16 2016 9:28 AM

Is 7 better than 6? That's quite an assumption, since none of the newer versions is better than 3, and a billion new whiz bang features can never fix what's broke when design flaws are baked into every new release.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 16 2016 12:58 PM

David Paul:
Is 7 better than 6? That's quite an assumption, since none of the newer versions is better than 3

Logic alert! 7 can be better than 6 even if 3 is the best IYO.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 16 2016 1:01 PM

MJ. Smith:

David Paul:
Is 7 better than 6? That's quite an assumption, since none of the newer versions is better than 3

Logic alert! 7 can be better than 6 even if 3 is the best IYO.

Yes Since I started out with L6, I can definitely say that L7 is better than L6.

Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!

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Keith Pang | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 16 2016 2:02 PM

PetahChristian:

Yes Since I started out with L6, I can definitely say that L7 is better than L6.

I agree. Same situation, I started with L6. 

Shalom, in Christ, Keith. Check out my music www.soundcloud.com/therealkpang

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 16 2016 4:24 PM

MJ. Smith:
Logic alert! 7 can be better than 6 even if 3 is the best IYO.

LOL...always trying to catch me in some logic violation. Roll Eyes

My statement isn't a statement; it's a rhetorical query, based on previous evidence. In view of the common assumption that new things are better than old ones, I simply put forward a thought for consideration. Can 7 be better than 6? Of course, and maybe it is (not having upgraded, I can't say)...but in general regard to this matter, I think Yeishuua` spoke appropriate words of wisdom. "The old is better." L3 certainly is.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 16 2016 7:04 PM

Let's be be clear ... the official name of '3' is 'Libby'.

And it's not by accident the Logos team had to introduce 90+ new features in hopes of getting in the same ballpark as Libby.  I suspect L8 may need 120+ new features to try to keep up with Libby. The math, obviously, is just not sustainable, and the Logos team exhausted.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 16 2016 7:46 PM

Denise:
Let's be be clear ... the official name of '3' is 'Libby'.

Official support of previous versions has => Libronix Digital Library System (LDLS or Logos 3)

Believe "Libby" did not have Discourse Datasets and Visual Filters:

Logos 7 with Logos Now can show Discourse in many resources plus visually highlight a lot (have created one inductive precept visual filter using <Person> tagging).

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 16 2016 9:02 PM

John Graves:
Is there any reason to upgrade?

I would say, 'no'.

Mainly because a simple upgrade gets you absolutely nothing new. You have to buy a bundle or fork over for the full feature set to get any of the new stuff. There are really only two new items in the full feature set worth having (in my opinion), and these are not available without all the other junk.

If smaller sets of features would be made available at reasonable prices, I'd change my recommendation.

My thanks to the various MVPs. Without them Logos would have died early. They were the only real help available.

Faithlife Corp. owes the MVPs free resources for life.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 16 2016 9:24 PM

Doc B:
You have to buy a bundle or fork over for the full feature set to get any of the new stuff.

Alternative is becoming Logos Now or Verbum Now member that includes all the features, including Online Only for membership duration, which may be less expensive than purchasing Full Feature Set 

Now membership also includes discount for library purchase(s).

Thankful Logos Now and Verbum Now membership has become worthwhile as Bob Pritchett promised.

Note: if want to rent resource access plus features, then can subscribe to Logos Cloud or Verbum Cloud

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 17 2016 1:11 AM

David Paul:
LOL...always trying to catch me in some logic violation. Roll Eyes

Big Smile

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 17 2016 1:12 AM

Doc B:

John Graves:
Is there any reason to upgrade?

I would say, 'no'.

Mainly because a simple upgrade gets you absolutely nothing new

Yes, there is as one gets bug repairs and the continuing maintenance as well as improvements to existing features ... and you don't have to keep you eyes open for when Faithlife drops support for your version.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Virgil Buttram | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 17 2016 6:09 AM

MJ. Smith:

Doc B:

John Graves:
Is there any reason to upgrade?

I would say, 'no'.

Mainly because a simple upgrade gets you absolutely nothing new

Yes, there is as one gets bug repairs and the continuing maintenance as well as improvements to existing features ... and you don't have to keep you eyes open for when Faithlife drops support for your version.

This can be achieved by waiting for (and then installing) the free Logos 7 Base Engine, due to be released in February. This is also the chief advantage of that free engine.

Purchasing a Feature Set (separately or with a Base Package) also brings the new features sold with whichever Feature Set you purchase. Others have extolled Logos Now and its benefits.

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 17 2016 8:33 AM

I chose not to upgrade.  I do not find anything of value in doing so.

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