MBP 256 GB 8 gb ram and logos

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Hans van den Herik | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Nov 23 2016 1:41 PM

Hello,

I'm not sure this is the correct sub forum to post my question.
I'm going to replace my old windows laptop (7 years old).
For several reasons I'm considering to buy a Macbook Pro 13'' version 2015 or latest version (without touch bar).
Does anyone know if Logos 7 Gold with Logos Now runs smoothly on that machine? It has 8 GB ram.
I appreciate to hear from you.
Hans

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DivineCordial | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 23 2016 3:34 PM

I have a 2012 rMBP 13 inch and Logos runs pretty well most of the time. The newer models should run it even better.

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Don Awalt | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 23 2016 4:19 PM

I run Logos on both a 2013 Macbook Pro with the optional faster processor and max memory/hi performance SSD, and a 2014 Windows 10 laptop that is pretty maxed out.

I find the Mac version runs ok, but you will see the "spinning pie plate" much more than the hourglass under Windows. The Mac version is not as fast as the Windows version on a similar class of hardware, I believe this is because there is some sort of emulation layer that aided in the conversion of Windows/.NET code to the Mac environment - in other words, Windows version is more native code, the Mac is not.

I have also had some freezes etc. on the Mac that they could never figure out in direct interaction with me. I ended up having to not only reinstall Logos several times from scratch with no improvement, but eventually I had to refresh and reload the OS from scratch to eliminate the freezes that happened every few days. Logos, eliminating things, couldn't isolate the problem. It's still there somewhere! :-o

There are little things that are not carried across - on Windows I can use the middle button on my mouse to click the library icon for example, and it comes up in a panel in one click. This is not implemented on the Mac even though there is middle button support in other programs on the Mac. I also think some of these subtle differences are because it's using .NET code being emulated/interpreted on a Mac.

Indexing is quite a bit slower, but most times that is not a big deal, it's usually only an issue to plan for if a major reindex has to be done. But when resources come down, there is a big processing penalty that the library will have the message "Preparing Library" in the yellow bar for a much longer time than on Windows. When it gets new resources, I just leave it be now, and come back later.

My conclusion would be that, likely because it's not native code, little UI features other Mac programs have, performance, stability, and usability are not as good. Faithlife has gotten feature compatibility to about 99% MacOS vs. Windows, which is good. If you have a very large library, or you do a lot of complex stuff, or you are on the program a lot of hours during the day, there is no question a current model Windows computer will run rings around even the latest Mac hardware. I take my Mac when I travel, and running longer days with Logos is tiresome compared to the Windows version.

That said, the Mac version has come a long way, so maybe the next 2-3 years will improve in these areas. It would be wonderful if there was a concerted effort to improve performance, stability, and usability of the Mac version, and I really think a lot of these issues would disappear if they got rid of native code. I would also say if you really want/need to run a Mac otherwise, it will be ok - just not as good as your Windows experience.

FYI, I plan to do a comparison  of Logos installed under MacOS and Boot Camp on one of the new Macbook Pros with the enhanced CPUs sometime over the holidays (since the Macbook Pro hardware can run Windows software on it natively!). This will show the performance penalty on the Mac - Boot Camp will be running Windows 10 and Window version of Logos, MacOS of course will run the Mac version of Logos. I'll post when I finish my tests.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 23 2016 6:57 PM

Don Awalt:
I find the Mac version runs ok, but you will see the "spinning pie plate" much more than the hourglass under Windows. The Mac version is not as fast as the Windows version on a similar class of hardware, I believe this is because there is some sort of emulation layer that aided in the conversion of Windows/.NET code to the Mac environment - in other words, Windows version is more native code, the Mac is not.

Logos shares .NET code base on Windows and Mac for resource access, indexing, searching, ... User Interface (UI) code is native for each platform. Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) does not have an emulation option on Mac.

Don Awalt:
Faithlife has gotten feature compatibility to about 99% MacOS vs. Windows, which is good.

+1 Yes Thankful for feature compatibility (albeit Mac can need computer restart every so often to get Logos going again).

Keep Smiling Smile

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Keith Pang | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 23 2016 10:33 PM

I upgraded to a 15 inch with touch bar MacBook Pro. Logos runs really fast, comparable to what you see in the videos in the logos pro training. I never thought it was possible. Lol. I'd say get the Mac! 

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Martin Folley | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 23 2016 11:31 PM

All modern Macbooks will have sufficient power ... and the 8Gb of RAM will also be plentiful ... the real issue may be the 256Gb storage ... especially if you have a large library and expect to use the computer for things other than Logos. The Latest MBP s have their 'SSD' soldered to the logic board (no upgrade route in the future) ... this may make them faster, or more reliable, or just plain cheaper Roll Eyes . I would look to having at least 512Gb of storage.

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 24 2016 12:00 AM

I have the 2015 rMBP 15" with 256GB my Logos uses about 45gb of the space, I have about 120 - 130gb free space on the rMBP. But i keep most of data files on an external SSD, this allows better performance of the Mac.

I went with the 15" so I could have a larger screen and the quad core CPU, for me I like having more power than I need and not having to wait for the system to do something.

But the 2015 rMBP should be fine for Logos 7 Gold.

I would even say that you could run Logos 7 Gold on the 12" retina MacBook. I got one of these for my wife and was very surprised with the speed and hers is only the 1.1 Ghz with 8GB ram and the 256 pcie SSD.

This is a link for Refurbished Mac's from Apple they have many choices.  http://www.apple.com/shop/browse/home/specialdeals/mac/macbook  

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Hans van den Herik | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 29 2016 1:24 AM

Hello!

Thank you for your information.

I bought a new macbook pro (15'' 256 GB) and the performance of Logos seems to be very good!

Hans

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Jonathan Bradley | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 9 2016 9:33 PM

I'm glad you enjoy it! I run Logos 7 on a MacBook Pro with 8GM RAM and a 128 GB SSD, and it runs fine. 

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