Christian Faith Pre-Pub

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Jan 13 2017 1:47 PM

Would this be a beneficial addition to my library as a Systematic Theology major?

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Thanks!

Nathan Parker

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Clifford B. Kvidahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 13 2017 1:50 PM

Nathan Parker:

Nathan,

It would be beneficial to add this to any library, regardless if he is a student or not!

Schleiermacher single-handedly changed the landscape with this book, for better or worse.

Cliff

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Nathan Parker | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 13 2017 9:24 PM

Clifford B. Kvidahl:

Nathan Parker:

Nathan,

It would be beneficial to add this to any library, regardless if he is a student or not!

Schleiermacher single-handedly changed the landscape with this book, for better or worse.

Cliff

Thanks for the info! I'll go for the pre-pub. :-)

Nathan Parker

Visit my blog at http://focusingonthemarkministries.com

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Everett Headley | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 13 2017 9:42 PM

If you a are systemtaic theology guy, without a doubt.  

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 13 2017 9:47 PM

Oh wow! That is a vital work! Thanks for bringing it to attention.

Schleiermacher is very important for theologians to be familiar, especially this particular work. I have read the earlier 1928 translation, and it was horribly challenging to plow through. This new translation looks like it's trying to be more helpful for the reader. It would be terrific to have in Logos, unfortunately it's way out of my price range even at pre-pub. But if you can afford it, I'd say go for it!

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 14 2017 6:04 AM

I just saw this edition in a seminary library and read the introduction - It looks to be quite an improvement over the older translation in that it attempts to use consistent terminology... In addition, it translates (and notes) all the classical sources S quotes.

However, if anyone from Logos reads this, as vital as he is for all continental evangelical theology, he was not a Lutheran. He was instead a (lonely) Reformed minister surrounded by Lutherans. And so, yes, there is a Lutheran influence on him, and he has greatly influenced Lutheran thought. But he is not Lutheran....

The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 17 2017 9:58 PM

Ugh. This somewhat beyond my budget but I'm in. Hopefully by the time it makes it out of pre-pub (which, let's face it, is likely to be a long time) I'll be able to justify the expenditure better...

Ken McGuire:
However, if anyone from Logos reads this, as vital as he is for all continental evangelical theology, he was not a Lutheran. He was instead a (lonely) Reformed minister surrounded by Lutherans. And so, yes, there is a Lutheran influence on him, and he has greatly influenced Lutheran thought. But he is not Lutheran....

Very much agreed, this needs to be changed.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 11 2017 4:36 AM

Bumping this. While few people's cup of tea, this is an invaluable resource for the study of modern theology, and it needs to be in Logos.

Serious students of theology won't regret getting it.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 5 2017 12:43 AM

Bumping again! It's almost there. A very significant work.

Sean:

While few people's cup of tea, this is an invaluable resource for the study of modern theology, and it needs to be in Logos.

Serious students of theology won't regret getting it.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 5 2017 6:31 AM

Bump! It wouldn't take many more orders to get this on the way!

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 29 2017 11:44 PM

Bumping this one yet again! Only a few more orders would push it into production!

Clifford B. Kvidahl:

It would be beneficial to add this to any library, regardless if he is a student or not!

Schleiermacher single-handedly changed the landscape with this book, for better or worse.

This is something that absolutely needs to go into Logos, one of the most significant works of Western theology.

Schleiermacher was, in many ways, the beginning of a pro-active response of the Christian church to the ravaging it received from the Enlightenment. He took to heart the critiques of Kant and attempted to craft a (protestant) way of believing for the modern era by shifting the focus of theology to the experience of the believing subject. Schleiermacher has been called the "Father of Liberal Theology", and for good reason. Virtually all non-fundamentalist, non-confessional theologies after him followed in the trail that he blazed, though they took it farther and wandered off into many side paths. In other words, if you want to understand the development of theology the last few centuries, if you want to understand why (chiefly protestant, though his influence goes further) modern theology took the direction it did, Scheiermacher is a must!

After finishing my doctoral thesis, I took the pains of reading the older translation of this work. Here's a summary comment from my notes file: "Impenetrable prose; at many places unreadable." It was a really rough slog--much harder than, for example, Karl Barth's Church Dogmatics. That FaithLife wants to put a newer translation that aims at readability into the Logos eco-system is an admirable goal. This is something that can help many students of theology.

I don't particularly need or want this volume, and committing to the pre-pub is straining my book budget at this point in time. Yet, I recognize the value of the book and want to help make it available for others. Hence, I clicked the button.

Why don't you click the button too? Angel

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 30 2017 12:08 AM

Here are a few quotes I jotted down from my read-through of the earlier translation:

p. 103.  “the former [Protestantism] makes the individual’s relation to the Church dependent on his relation to Christ, while the latter [Roman Catholicism] makes the individual’s relation to Christ dependent on his relation to the Church.” [a generalization but insightful]

Schleiermacher definitely wrote from within the reformed tradition, though certainly not as an orthodox protestant. He was a strict determinist, taking it much farther than more mainstream Calvinists are usually willing to:

p. 174. “It has been always acknowledged by the strictest dogmaticians that divine preservation, as the absolute dependence of all events and changes on God, and natural causation, as the complete determination of all events by the universal nexus, are one and the same thing simply from different points of view, the one being neither separated from the other nor limited by it.”

p. 186. “evil… exists as a consequence of absolute dependence, and therefore is to be regarded as ordained by God.”

Mercy as an appendix to the doctrine of God:

p. 353. “To attribute mercy to God is more appropriate to the language of preaching and poetry than to that of dogmatic theology.” [real nice]

His thoughts on salvation; generally he is better when he forgets his agenda and allows his pietist roots to shine forth:

425. “The Redeemer assumes believers into his power of His God-consciousness, and this is His redemptive activity.”

431. “The Redeemer assumes the believers into the fellowship of His unclouded blessedness, and this is His reconciling activity.”

480. “Conversion, the beginning of the new life in fellowship with Christ, makes itself known in each individual by Repentance, which consists in the combination of regret and change of heart; and by Faith, which consists in the appropriation of the perfection and blessedness of Christ.”

(Some of those may be offputting but when taking notes my concern was his points of deviation from traditional theology. Most tertiary summaries of Schleiermacher, unlike those of Barth, tend to be fairly accurate, and there's much to disagree with here. However, his influence is unquestionable, and important source material like this needs to be in Logos.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 30 2017 4:12 AM

And, the orange bar has advanced twice since my bump a few hours ago. Wonderful! I estimate it would take only 2 or 3 more orders for this to go over the line...

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 31 2017 5:15 PM

It's made it into production. Wonderful! Thank you all.

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