New Resource: Lexham Hebrew Bible: Cantillation Analysis
With Logos 6, we released an interactive resource that provided a view of the structure implied by the cantillation (accent) system of the Hebrew Bible.
We've had further requests to make that data more searchable and also able to be utilized by visual filters. The Lexham Hebrew Bible: Cantillation Analysis suite of resources should help with this. It is a collection of four resources that use the same basic algorithm as the Interactive resource to convey the cantillation structure of the Hebrew Bible.
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Lexham Hebrew Bible: Cantillation Analysis Dataset uses labels to apply mark information (name, rank, and type) to words in the Hebrew Bible. Hebrew Bibles and translations aligned with Hebrew Bibles have access to this information. It is accessible in the Information Pane and the Context Menu.
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Lexham Hebrew Bible: Cantillation Analysis Graphs is a visualization resource that provides a graph or tree view of the hierarchy implied by the cantillation marks in the Lexham Hebrew Bible.
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Lexham Hebrew Bible: Cantillation Analysis Database is the database that underlies syntax search capabilities of the cantillation analysis. It allows searching by heirarchy or relationship in combination with accent and morphological or lemma combinations.
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Lexham Hebrew Bible: Cantillation Analysis Documentation briefly documents the capabilities of each resource.
This suite of resources is available for users Logos Now. The data is available in the Information Panel and also Context Menu (right click) via the dataset. One could make visual filters using the dataset information as well. Further, the graph structure can be browsed using the graph resource and queried using the database.
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I'm a real newbie at Hebrew so... Is there some advantage gained in understanding the message conveyed by having a knowledge of how to chant scripture? Or is this purely an embellishment?
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Beloved said:
I'm a real newbie at Hebrew so... Is there some advantage gained in understanding the message conveyed by having a knowledge of how to chant scripture? Or is this purely an embellishment?
Disclaimer: I'm not a Hebraist.
Some folks find the cantillation information useful when reading the Hebrew text. Some Hebrew programs use the cantillation system for this reason. It is less a question of chanting (as I understand) and more knowing where major and minor breaks are. More like commas, semicolons, and periods; less like monks chanting Latin. The visual filters can help with locating where those major/minor breaks are, visually, in the text.
Some people have a deeper interest in the structure implied by the cantillation marks; the visualization and, particularly, the database should help those folks examine questions they've never really been able to examine before (across the whole Hebrew Bible).
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Thanks Rick!
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Is this live now? I don't seem to see anything available after "update now"
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John Kight said:
Is this live now? I don't seem to see anything available after "update now"
I was told there was an issue with the resource publishing process, so they'll restart that process in the morning. Sometimes it can take some time for resources to propagate.
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Beloved said:
Is there some advantage gained in understanding the message conveyed by having a knowledge of how to chant scripture? Or is this purely an embellishment?
MJ. Smith said:From topics.logos.com comes everything I know about the topic
Hebrew cantillations
- Hebrew cantillation marks and their encoding | Helmut Richter
- What is the meaning of Elijah’s reply to Elisha in 1 Kings 19:20? | Joseph Lukowski on Biblical Hermeneutics
- Are bdellium and onyx stone types of ‘gold’? | Biblical Hermeneutics
- Accurate translation of חֶמְדַּ֣ת in Haggai 2:7 | Biblical Hermeneutics
- Why are there extra dots in Genesis 33:4? | Biblical Hermeneutics
- Pictorial Translation into English
Based on https://community.logos.com/forums/p/94016/696112.aspx I would reach out to Joseph Lukowski, a Logos user, for ideas.
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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) said:John Kight said:
Is this live now? I don't seem to see anything available after "update now"
I was told there was an issue with the resource publishing process, so they'll restart that process in the morning. Sometimes it can take some time for resources to propagate.
John, I'm told the update has been published, so it should come down the pipe to you soon if you haven't seen it already.
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Thanks for the update Rick! I appreciate you my friend!
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MJ. your input is much appreciated. I think revealing the intent of my question will be helpful. My interest is directed at determining whether I should invest any effort into learning to use this set of features to discover some gems of insight into the text. My interests are mostly devotional with a smattering of intellectual curiosity.
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Beloved said:
MJ. your input is much appreciated. I think revealing the intent of my question will be helpful. My interest is directed at determining whether I should invest any effort into learning to use this set of features to discover some gems of insight into the text. My interests are mostly devotional with a smattering of intellectual curiosity.
One famous example of how cantillation marks affect understanding of the text is Isaiah 40:3. Without any punctuation marks, it reads like this in English:
"a voice cries in the wilderness prepare the way of the Lord make straight in the desert a highway for our God"
Without any punctuation or cantillation marks, this phrase can be interpreted in many ways... is "the voice crying in the wilderness", as John the Baptist understands it in the NT? Or does the voice cry out, "In the wilderness prepare the way of the Lord"? At this level, and removed from context, we can't tell.
The Masoretes gave a precise answer to that question using the Cantillation marks:
A voice cries, "In the wilderness prepare the way of the Lord; make straight in the desert a highway for our God."
The Masoretes read the adverbial clause "in the wilderness" as modifying "prepare the way of the Lord". The cantillation marks in the Hebrew indicate this reading, reflecting the parallelism within the verse.
Of course, when John the Baptist was studying the Scriptures, there were no cantillation marks. [:)] They were added many centuries later. But this does explain why Isaiah 40:3 is typically translated slightly different than how John the Baptist understood it.
And like this example there are many other verses in Hebrew that could be interpreted one way or another, depending where the cantillation marks go. Just like how in English the same happens with punctuation marks.
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There was an update of 300+ resources today for me, but this set was not included.
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Fr Devin Roza said:
Of course, when John the Baptist was studying the Scriptures, there were no cantillation marks.
They were added many centuries later. Your comment anticipates a question I formed while reading MJ.'s reply. Were the Masoretes informed by oral tradition and developed their system in agreement with centuries old practice or did they develop their system de novo to satisfy their scholarly predilections? Thank you so much for your reply to my initial question.
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Hans K said:
this set was not included.
I don't see it either, but it will be a neat addition when it comes :-)
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Beloved said:
Your comment anticipates a question I formed while reading MJ.'s reply. Were the Masoretes informed by oral tradition and developed their system in agreement with centuries old practice or did they develop their system de novo to satisfy their scholarly predilections? Thank you so much for your reply to my initial question.
The Masoretes' work was very much an attempt to preserve the oral tradition handed down about the pronunciation and meaning of the written Scriptures. They were very professional and very meticulous.
Here is an article about one of their more famous manuscripts of the OT, the Aleppo Codex, which describes their work: http://www.aleppocodex.org/links/8.html.
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Fr Devin Roza said:
Here is an article about one of their more famous manuscripts of the OT, the Aleppo Codex, which describes their work: http://www.aleppocodex.org/links/8.html.
Thanks for the article. It motivated me to do personal research to answer an etymological interest. I'm fascinated by the history of words I found this web site that has interesting coverage of Hebrew words, unfortunately it does not cite its sources so one must be careful. I would like to share it with you and others who might be interested. Here is its coverage of Masorah and Masoretes: http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Masoretes.html#.WJze2vkrLie
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Rick Brannan (Faithlife) said:
John, I'm told the update has been published, so it should come down the pipe to you soon if you haven't seen it already.
Rick, MJ., Fr Devin,... and you have got me all in a lather about this roll out. Any update?
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The Cantillation Database is live! Gotta read the documentation to learn how to use it though.
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Hans K said:
I have tried several times to update, but no. Not here yet in The Netherlands :-(
Hmm... so sorry
I don't understand it, but it looks so cool!
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I have not received this dataset yet.
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Any word on when this will become available for individual purchase?
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I love the Cantillation Interactive -- infinitely easier than trying to work it all out myself.
Will we eventually be able to print from it?
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Mary-Ellen said:
Will we eventually be able to print from it?
You can print from the similar resource, Lexham Hebrew Bible: Cantillation Analysis Graphs, by clicking the resource panel menu and then Print/Export. See the similarities below
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Very helpful, thanks! With the graphs, I think I'm only getting one verse at a time, because it splits all the way down to the affix level. I don't see a way this can be adjusted?
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Mary-Ellen said:
Very helpful, thanks! With the graphs, I think I'm only getting one verse at a time, because it splits all the way down to the affix level. I don't see a way this can be adjusted?
Using the "Interlinear" button in the resource window, you can specify levels to collapse together.
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Cool! Fun to play with; I wouldn't have thought to look there.
I still only get one verse at a time in the Print/Export window, though.
Right now I'm studying Ps 98, and the cantillation tools help me follow along with commentaries that try to find meter in the text (or even advocate text emendations based on meter). With copy-paste from the Interactive (and a lot of manual editing), I can get all of Ps 98 on a page-and-a-half in Word, a decent size for trying my own hand at metrical counting. But a page per verse feels unwieldy.
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On the graphs, you can select a node by clicking it. If you hold CTRL (windows; I'd guess Command for mac?) you can make multiple selections. This copies out as a graphic, though I *think* you can paste it into a sentence diagram document and manipulate it there. (IIRC).
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