After waiting patiently after the Master Journal Bundle 2.1+ came out - not a lot has happened.
Where was the frequent release programme we were expecting.
Shalom
Any more progress on the purchase option of the journal bundles (i.e. 4.1) announced some time ago?
Any more progress on the purchase option of the journal bundles (i.e. 4.1) announced some time ago? Shalom
got emai: “We are about to begin processing Pre-Pub orders for Master Journal Bundle 4.1 (2,260+ vols.).This product is scheduled to ship on 9/30/2019.*”
thank you Faithlife!
So no announcement on 5.1's as these already are dated?
I was thinking of asking the same question - but then thought I'd give them a chance to get these out the door first.
Thank you Faithlife!!!!
I wouldn't make sense to make 5.1 available to pre-order until the 4.1 orders have been processed. If they did, everyone's dynamic price would be wrong because they wouldn't yet own 4.1.
I'm confused and upset about journals. I bought in on the promise of regular updates and sure it was a good deal but absolutely not if the only way to keep up to date is to pay for a subscription that includes all the back catalog anyway. Faithlife this is beyond shambolic!
I think you're mixing apples and oranges in a shambolic way. He said regular updates, hopefully quarterly. And indeed my purchase (not subscription) arrives Sept 30. True no quarterly (my memory?). I don't remember an up to date promise ... he always qualified relative to the old Galaxy.
But even so, I'd hope most would view journals as the long-shot (along with pre-paid evangelical commentaries). Quite valuable tagged. But still a long-shot.
You have “spoken” as a shambolic person! Only shambolics speak before thinking about what they will say before they say it 😂 Anyway, your shambolicism is dead wrong. Go back to the drawing board and think about what you just posted 😜
I'm confused and upset about journals.
I'm sorry you're confused and upset.
I bought in on the promise of regular updates and sure it was a good deal but absolutely not if the only way to keep up to date is to pay for a subscription that includes all the back catalog anyway.
We were hoping to do quarterly releases, but the necessary level of funding isn't there to support that yet. We'll likely be sticking with annual releases for now (both of Galaxie's Theological Journal Library and for our own journal bundles), but we're always considering ways to do more journals more quickly and may be able to get back to a faster release cycle in the future.
Since getting started with journals can be expensive for latecomers, we decided to offer Galaxie's own monthly and annual subscriptions in Logos. This isn't intended to be a solution for existing journal owners.
We're exploring a different kind of subscription commerce model, which would allow you to subscribe to own new releases in a series of content. For example, you could subscribe to a particular journal, collection of journals, or commentary series, and we'd automatically place a pre-order of the new releases for you and ship it to you without your needing to do anything. Of course, you'd still get a notification and be able to opt out of a given release or cancel your subscription entirely. We hope to pilot an experiment in Q1 of 2020 to see how much interest there is in this model, before we invest the time and effort it would take to build it into our commerce system.
Faithlife this is beyond shambolic!
Do you still feel that way after the above explanation? What would you like to see us do differently?
Question for Phil:
Even though I've already direct-purchased the past Galaxie bundles, I don't see the Galaxie Logos subscription cost as too much to ensure I stay current on the latest journals.
So should I:
1. Go ahead and signup for it?
2. Wait until Q1 of 2020 and signup for the "subscription ownership" service?
On that new service, I wish you could also offer a way to "scan" my Logos library and show me any collections that are "missing" books (especially commentary sets), and offer a "Complete My Collection" subscription price on those (similar to how iTunes once did "Compete My Album" if I owned individual songs from an album and pay a fee to complete the album). I know you offer something similar with Dynamic Pricing, but I need to find a way to at-a-glance have the Logos Store show me what collections I have that are missing books so I know what collections I want to top off and keep current (I take a guess at the moment, but I still don't always keep up with it).
On the Logos Journal Bundles, I wonder if instead of the version numbers (which have been a little confusing) if you set the journal bundles by year instead (so all of the 2019 journals in a "Master Journal Bundle 2019", etc). That might make it easier to understand what bundles offer what.
We were hoping to do quarterly releases, but the necessary level of funding isn't there to support that yet. We'll likely be sticking with annual releases for now (both of Galaxie's Theological Journal Library and for our own journal bundles), but we're always considering ways to do more journals more quickly and may be able to get back to a faster release cycle in the future. Since getting started with journals can be expensive for latecomers, we decided to offer Galaxie's own monthly and annual subscriptions in Logos. This isn't intended to be a solution for existing journal owners. We're exploring a different kind of subscription commerce model, which would allow you to subscribe to own new releases in a series of content. For example, you could subscribe to a particular journal, collection of journals, or commentary series, and we'd automatically place a pre-order of the new releases for you and ship it to you without your needing to do anything. Of course, you'd still get a notification and be able to opt out of a given release or cancel your subscription entirely. We hope to pilot an experiment in Q1 of 2020 to see how much interest there is in this model, before we invest the time and effort it would take to build it into our commerce system. Faithlife this is beyond shambolic! Do you still feel that way after the above explanation? What would you like to see us do differently? We're shipping our 4.1 bundles soon. We're posting our 5.0 bundles right after that and hope to get them into production and shipped sooner than this last round took. We should be posting and shipping the 2019 updates to the Galaxie journals in November. We're exploring a subscription model (automatic pre-orders for ownable licenses) for more easily staying current with the journals (and other products) you care about.
Ok, so here is what I understood from the above. For existing owners, 4.1 comes out at the end of the month. 5.x will drop after that in October("ish,") and one can pre-pub it, and it will go thru as intended. If it receives enough incentive by the customer base, it will be made available in a much quicker fashion than 4.1 was.The plan going forward due to an understandable lack of financial interest on FL's behalf due to customer lack of interest for quarterly releases (which would have been easier on one's wallet,) 6.+ and beyond will follow annually (perhaps b4 the annual fall conventions, so FL can market an updated journal bases each year) as pre-pub releases one can purchase and should go thru at a better pace than the 4.1 modules which were lost in limbo for an inordinate amount of time for reasons we can all put behind us as they are finally here. If FL can now deliver these annually and in a reasonable fashion, perhaps the loyalty of the customer base can assuage past doubts. Both parties need to finally see a way forward beyond the present model which repeatedly fails on both ends. I pray we can all look to the day soon that doubts have faded and a feasible model is achieved whereby all can benefit. Galaxie for existing owners will drop annually in November as a pre-pub and can be purchased and will be released even faster as it has less tagging, etc. Is this correct and will everyone get on board or do we still have remaining issues holding people back and thus causing FL to once again return to the drawing board for another long lapse and try something else and everyone sits waiting idly?
Phil,
Thanks the explanation is helpful, I would very much like an ownership subscription model.
I am really frustrated though. Logos has not been a useful tool for keeping up with journals, my investment in journals via logos has not lived up to my hopes which were based on your previously explained plans. Will these plans become a reality? It's painful waiting and its very difficult to understand from any of the product pages. It's also very difficult to understand from a 36 page forum thread. Shambolic is defined as 'disorganised, chaotic or mismanaged' in my dictionary. The strong impression is that this is a project that gets forgotten for long periods. If you are offended by that I'm sorry, its not my intention to offend but it is my intention to express frustration.
I love the product and am so often impressed with what you produce but you really have to think about how broken your communication process is. We are customers who care to the tune of thousands of dollars and Logos is a primary tool for doing our work.
It sounds promising but will the latest journals ever arrive in my logos library in a timely manner at a reasonable price? Please make it a reality! Thanks
If FL can now deliver these annually and in a reasonable fashion, perhaps the loyalty of the customer base can assuage past doubts.
Journals stopped being a priority for FL a long time ago. FL does not have a financial interest in Journals. If that changes, that would be great. But I stopped hoping.
There is nothing wrong with FL making such a business decision. It frustrated me to be strung along for so long. I am happy to receive whatever they sell. But I no longer expect journals except for a update every blue moon of some journals.
FL does not have a financial interest in Journals.
Faithlife has an huge interest in Journals (in principle), but they were too late to the game and are often left picking up the scraps.
The problem is something like this:
Faithlife probably can't solve #1 at the moment, but it's trying to solve #2 and #3 by partnering with Galaxie to supply some second-tier journals with limited tagging to hit the sweet spot price-wise.
I suspect that solving #1 will require an adventurous top-tier journal to take a risk, and let Faithlife (and its customers) prove there's a strong appetite. I'm not holding my breath.
If one owns Galaxie, then what does one have to do to get its update later this fall? Subscribe? Or will it be updated via pre-pub as a new separate modular update each fall?
For the 2019 update, you'll need to subscribe to this: https://www.logos.com/product/184429/galaxies-theological-journal-library-subscription, or buy this prepub: https://www.logos.com/product/154055/tjl-upgrade-bundle-41
For 2020, you'll need to keep subscribing, or buy another (as yet unannounced) prepub.
Yahoo! The latest Master Journal Collection is downloaded!...now on to the next Master collection! [:)]
Yahoo! The latest Master Journal Collection is downloaded!...now on to the next Master collection!
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If one owns Galaxie, then what does one have to do to get its update later this fall? Subscribe? Or will it be updated via pre-pub as a new separate modular update each fall? For the 2019 update, you'll need to subscribe to this: https://www.logos.com/product/184429/galaxies-theological-journal-library-subscription, or buy this prepub: https://www.logos.com/product/154055/tjl-upgrade-bundle-41 For 2020, you'll need to keep subscribing, or buy another (as yet unannounced) prepub.
Amazingly, I contacted the sales department to inquire. They have no clue either. Thanks for this advice. I'll wait for pre-pubs to go up or activity here to tell me what to do. FL's own sales team is clueless on journals! lol Definitely an area in need of improvement, but it is progressing--PTL!
My sales rep is trying to find out specifically what I need to do.
If Phil can answer the question I posted earlier, that would clarify it for me.
I don't think Mark's answer is 100% in line with what Phil mentioned, so I'd like clarification from Phil.
Personally, I don't mind subscribing to the Galaxie subscription, plus waiting for more Master Journal Bundles to hit pre-pub, but before I shell out any money on the Galaxie subscription, I'd like to hear more from Phil first.
I find it odd the sales team are as clueless as we are
The Galaxie subscription is currently identical to the Galaxie TJL 1–20 product. If you own the latter, the former won't add anything in the short term. We plan to release an update to the Galaxie subscription and a new Galaxie TJL 1–22 in the next month or so, assuming we get the files from Galaxie on time. At that point, you'll probably be able to pay ~$50 to purchase and own the new journals or $50 a year to subscribe to them. If it were me, I'd stick with the ownership model, assuming you're already well down that path. The subscription makes sense for those just getting started out or who don't need long-term access to the journal content. It is, of course, up to you. But you asked for my opinion, so there you have it.
I'm not sure if/when we'll offer it on the Galaxie products. So that's probably not a viable short-term option if staying current with Galaxie journals is important to you.
We are working on better exposing a way to generate a list of all the products you have partial ownership of.
Perhaps, but which year? The year we post it or the year it ships. We might end up like the car industry, which always confuses me with car model years.
We made the decision last week to treat new journal bundles as pre-orders and immediately put them into production, which should allow us to do quarterly releases. No promises that we'll be able to do this, but with this decision multiple releases per year is highly likely.
The Galaxie subscription is currently identical to the Galaxie TJL 1–20 product. If you own the latter, the former won't add anything in the short term. We plan to release an update to the Galaxie subscription and a new Galaxie TJL 1–22 in the next month or so, assuming we get the files from Galaxie on time. At that point, you'll probably be able to pay ~$50 to purchase and own the new journals or $50 a year to subscribe to them. If it were me, I'd stick with the ownership model, assuming you're already well down that path. The subscription makes sense for those just getting started out or who don't need long-term access to the journal content. It is, of course, up to you. But you asked for my opinion, so there you have it. We made the decision last week to treat new journal bundles as pre-orders and immediately put them into production, which should allow us to do quarterly releases. No promises that we'll be able to do this, but with this decision multiple releases per year is highly likely.
Thank you, Phil, once again for this! [:D] I sure pray all goes out smoothly rather than as the latest rounds!
Please let the sales team know that from now on you will keep extending Galaxie as you are granted access and existing owners should plan to follow the pre-pub for new releases (e.g. the owners of 1–20 should look for the new 1-22 updated pre-pub and not bother with the subscription for "ownership" of Galaxie modules.) The Galaxie subscription is only for temporary access as long as the service is continued.
I sincerely do hope this means we are back to where we were. I also hope it means others this time will support Phil and his team in the pre-pub orders, so this can be the new reality/norm. I believe this is obviously a positive step forward if I understand Phil correctly.
My concern only then is why others would choose not to support this model. FL wishes to gives us quarterly (timely) releases "in faith" again. It was previously not supported and thus failed due to the lack of the proper level of a loyal customer base.
Can others now please let us know what is the problem with this model? Why they would choose to not support it? Is it merely they have already gone elsewhere for journals? FL needs a viable solution. Phil is offering a plausible way forward here. What prevents the community from supporting this decision which failed last time? If it is something Phil and his team can resolve now, perhaps we can all benefit and avoid the continued game of "journals in limbo?" That certainly would be nice! Does anyone wish to enlighten us once more on why quarterly releases in a timely manner by FL would not work for them?
The 5.1 bundles should be posted tomorrow or later this week. We're finalizing a few details. We hope to ship them in Q1 (see my previous comment about our decision to treat these updates as pre-orders rather than Pre-Pubs).
Galaxie TJL 1–22 should be available in the next month or two, both for purchase and via subscription.
1. Go ahead and signup for it? The Galaxie subscription is currently identical to the Galaxie TJL 1–20 product. If you own the latter, the former won't add anything in the short term. We plan to release an update to the Galaxie subscription and a new Galaxie TJL 1–22 in the next month or so, assuming we get the files from Galaxie on time. At that point, you'll probably be able to pay ~$50 to purchase and own the new journals or $50 a year to subscribe to them. If it were me, I'd stick with the ownership model, assuming you're already well down that path. The subscription makes sense for those just getting started out or who don't need long-term access to the journal content. It is, of course, up to you. But you asked for my opinion, so there you have it. 2. Wait until Q1 of 2020 and signup for the "subscription ownership" service? I'm not sure if/when we'll offer it on the Galaxie products. So that's probably not a viable short-term option if staying current with Galaxie journals is important to you. On that new service, I wish you could also offer a way to "scan" my Logos library and show me any collections that are "missing" books (especially commentary sets), and offer a "Complete My Collection" subscription price on those (similar to how iTunes once did "Compete My Album" if I owned individual songs from an album and pay a fee to complete the album). I know you offer something similar with Dynamic Pricing, but I need to find a way to at-a-glance have the Logos Store show me what collections I have that are missing books so I know what collections I want to top off and keep current (I take a guess at the moment, but I still don't always keep up with it). We are working on better exposing a way to generate a list of all the products you have partial ownership of. On the Logos Journal Bundles, I wonder if instead of the version numbers (which have been a little confusing) if you set the journal bundles by year instead (so all of the 2019 journals in a "Master Journal Bundle 2019", etc). That might make it easier to understand what bundles offer what. Perhaps, but which year? The year we post it or the year it ships. We might end up like the car industry, which always confuses me with car model years. We made the decision last week to treat new journal bundles as pre-orders and immediately put them into production, which should allow us to do quarterly releases. No promises that we'll be able to do this, but with this decision multiple releases per year is highly likely.
Perfect. Thanks for the info. I'll hold off doing anything until I see what you post on Galaxie, then decide what is the best path forward to stay current (which sounds like ownership is the best way to continue).
On the journal bundles, I was thinking of per year the journals themselves are released, so a "Master Bundle 2019" would include all of the journals released in print/online in 2019, etc. That way at-a-glance, we could see what bundles have what year's journals are available without digging. It could also possibly make for more affordable bundles for those who want particular years, or they can combine years to "get them all".
The 5.1 bundles should be posted tomorrow or later this week. We're finalizing a few details. We hope to ship them in Q1 (see my previous comment about our decision to treat these updates as pre-orders rather than Pre-Pubs). Galaxie TJL 1–22 should be available in the next month or two, both for purchase and via subscription.
Thanks, Phil! I have another reply to your previous post awaiting approval. This is good to know.
Hi Phil
First let me say thank you for the release of the latest journal offerings - it is much appreciated here. Please pass on my/our thanks to all and for the hard work in getting this ready and out the door.
Also let me add that this news/announcement is very welcome and should start to redress the concerns many of had here regarding Faithlife commitment to a comprehensive production cycle for journals.
May God bless your endeavours and give them prosperity. (now that might open a can of worms!)
Shalom Kevin
Hi Phil First let me say thank you for the release of the latest journal offerings - it is much appreciated here. Please pass on my/our thanks to all and for the hard work in getting this ready and out the door. We made the decision last week to treat new journal bundles as pre-orders and immediately put them into production, which should allow us to do quarterly releases. No promises that we'll be able to do this, but with this decision multiple releases per year is highly likely. Also let me add that this news/announcement is very welcome and should start to redress the concerns many of had here regarding Faithlife commitment to a comprehensive production cycle for journals. May God bless your endeavours and give them prosperity. (now that might open a can of worms!) Shalom Kevin
Agreed! This is very comforting news!
Hi Phil,
Thanks for your and your team's hard work. I hope we have crossed a barrier and can move on to improving journals now that we have a system in place getting them out as regular releases. I do pray this is resolved now and truly a thing of the past.
I've mentioned this before. What does it take to get new journals?
Here is one suggestion:
https://place.asburyseminary.edu/faithandphilosophy/
Is it possible to add this?
What prevents a journal like this from being added? Lack of interest? Or is it something on their end? Has it been pursued?
It is freely available in PDF, so is it the grant behind it that won't let them let you publish it?
I'd just love its integration into Logos/Verbum. Plus it would open it up to many who many never read it via search results. WIn, win?
As promised, if one has not been paying attention, Phil and his team have delivered! The new journal updates are live and in production! We apparently are finally on the right track! Let's support them in the bundle of one's choice:
https://www.logos.com/product/185141/master-journal-bundle-51https://www.logos.com/product/185142
https://www.logos.com/product/185143
Either they played with the journal contents or I’m mixing up my journals.
I got this one last month: https://www.logos.com/product/154055/tjl-upgrade-bundle-41
But this one is vastly more expensive: https://www.logos.com/product/185143/theology-journal-bundle-51
Hi Phil, Thanks for your and your team's hard work. I hope we have crossed a barrier and can move on to improving journals now that we have a system in place getting them out as regular releases. I do pray this is resolved now and truly a thing of the past. I've mentioned this before. What does it take to get new journals? Here is one suggestion: https://place.asburyseminary.edu/faithandphilosophy/ Is it possible to add this? What prevents a journal like this from being added? Lack of interest? Or is it something on their end? Has it been pursued? It is freely available in PDF, so is it the grant behind it that won't let them let you publish it? I'd just love its integration into Logos/Verbum. Plus it would open it up to many who many never read it via search results. WIn, win?
Here's the "mother" site to the above journal. There are a number of journals here. Have any of these been pursued?
https://place.asburyseminary.edu/peer_review_list.html
Otherwise, for those interested in journals here are a few you may not have known about here.
Hi Phil, Thanks for your and your team's hard work. I hope we have crossed a barrier and can move on to improving journals now that we have a system in place getting them out as regular releases. I do pray this is resolved now and truly a thing of the past. I've mentioned this before. What does it take to get new journals? Here is one suggestion: https://place.asburyseminary.edu/faithandphilosophy/ Is it possible to add this? What prevents a journal like this from being added? Lack of interest? Or is it something on their end? Has it been pursued? It is freely available in PDF, so is it the grant behind it that won't let them let you publish it? I'd just love its integration into Logos/Verbum. Plus it would open it up to many who many never read it via search results. WIn, win? Here's the "mother" site to the above journal. There are a number of journals here. Have any of these been pursued? https://place.asburyseminary.edu/peer_review_list.html Otherwise, for those interested in journals here are a few you may not have known about here.
I found one more Phil!https://journals.tdl.org/jat/index.php/jat
or
https://journals.tdl.org/jat/index.php/jat/index
Phil, I know the managing editor and reached out to him. I sent you a DM. You should be able to pursue at least this journal. Just contact him. Perhaps the above-mentioned journals can make their way into the next bundles beyond 5.1???
All of the above journals are free and in pdf format. So anyone can avail themselves of the content. I just hope Phil can secure them for Logos! With the tagging this will improve content and be good for all!
Does anyone else know of good journals freely available online that I can share with my students in Asia either already in Logos or like these not yet a part of journals here?
Galaxie 1-22 up for prepub
https://www.logos.com/product/186274/galaxies-theological-journal-library-vols-1-22
Nice!
Galaxie 1-22 up for prepub https://www.logos.com/product/186274/galaxies-theological-journal-library-vols-1-22
Any news when the Masters Bundle is going to be ready? I assume that if we have pre-ordered the Masters Bundle, that we would be receiving the galaxie journal bundle when it is released. Can this be confirmed?
Galaxie 1-22 up for prepub https://www.logos.com/product/186274/galaxies-theological-journal-library-vols-1-22 Any news when the Masters Bundle is going to be ready? I assume that if we have pre-ordered the Masters Bundle, that we would be receiving the galaxie journal bundle when it is released. Can this be confirmed?
While I suspect w/o looking there may, in fact, be some overlap, I think presently in this case, the Master Bundle covers all of the other journals FL bundles in Logos, but not every one of them FL offers singularly. I own the Master bundle and do not own every single journal FL offers.
Now as for Galaxie then I think to answer your question, in my opinion, it is entirely a different matter altogether as it is not FL doing it themselves, but FL leasing it from Galaxie, as a middleman of sorts, and thus it is not a part of FL's bundles in particular unless their materials happen by chance to overlap which in some cases they do.
Galaxie gives us what FL cannot provide via their agreements, but some of the titles offered in Galaxie FL does have an agreement to offer to us otherwise (thus the need for Galaxie when FL does not have such agreements). FL journals are superior in their functionality within the program though. Galaxie can be rented or bought. Once bought though it is with the customer's account. If rented, it can disappear as FL and Galaxie ceased operations at least once previously.
Now all this to say is if one buys both, whichever lands 2nd will be discounted via dynamic pricing to reflect what may be duplicated in each one, but I think in this regard we have two separate things. You yourself can go to each page and see which journals are included in each and see e.g., that JETS is in the Galaxie and not in the Master. Therefore, JETS can be rented or owned but it simply will not have the superior tagging and functionality offered in FL's in-house offerings within Logos or Verbum.
BTW, if one were to in the same sense buy a smaller FL journal bundle and then also buy the Master afterward, the same thing would occur, You never pay twice for the same item aside from future editions which obviously are not the same thing but new offerings altogether. The Master bundle would reflect dynamic pricing and be reduced for what items you already own from the smaller bundle(s).
I hope this sheds some light as journals here have been a bit on the tricky side at times thus the length of this thread with its long history of discussion sorting matters like these out.
Phil, this continues the tradition of being confusing. Tell me please what is the difference between Theological Journals Bundle 5.1 and Galaxie Theolgical Journal Library Vol 1-22. I know there is a Galaxie subscription, but I am not interested in that. From what I can see, these two are not subscription. I also understand hyperlinking may be different in the two packages. What I want to know is:
1. What do you get in Galalxie Vol 1-22 that you do not get in Theological Journals Bundle 5.1?
2. If one has pre-ordered the Masters Bundle 5.1, what Galaxie Journals in vol 1-22 would not be included in the Masters Bundle?
3. If one has all the Journal packages to date, does one need to purchase Galaxie Theological Journal Vol 1-22 AND Masters Bundle 5.1 to still have all the journals? Or does Masters 5.1 cover it all?
I have tried to look back in the thread to figure this out and I do not have it figured out. I had assumed that pre-ordering the Masters Bundle 5.1 gives everything
Tell me please what is the difference between Theological Journals Bundle 5.1 and Galaxie Theolgical Journal Library Vol 1-22.
The TLJ bundle includes some journals from Galaxie and other journals produced by Faithlife. But it only includes journals that are 'theological' by nature. It doesn't include journals related to pastoral practice, for example. There is therefore a lot of overlap between the two, but they are not subsets or supersets of each other.
If one has pre-ordered the Masters Bundle 5.1, what Galaxie Journals in vol 1-22 would not be included in the Masters Bundle?
Master 5.1 has a large number of journals not found in Galaxie 1-22. But the reverse is also true. By my calculations:
I also discuss the difference between the Galaxie Library and the Master Bundle here:
https://parkernathan.faithlifesites.com/online
Mark and Nathan, thanks for your input but still not clear for me:
Nathan, your write in your article:
I personally own the Master Journal Bundle 4.1 and have pre-ordered the Master Journal Bundle 5.1 (all journal bundles, with the exception of the Theological Journal Library Subscription available from Logos, offer dynamic pricing upgrades where customers only pay for the new books).
The Theological Journal Library is not the same as the subscription.
You further write: The only drawback with the Master Journal Bundles is that they do not include all of the volumes of the Theological Journal Library, so I recommend students purchase the Theological Journal Library from Logos first, then use the dynamic pricing upgrade to upgrade to the Master Journal Bundle if they are interested in the additional content.
So from this I am getting that like you, if I have Master Journal Bundle 4.1 and I have pre-ordered Master Journal Bundle 5.1, I still will be missing some journals that come in the Theological Journal Library package. Thus, I should pre-order the Theological Journal Library in addition to the Master Journal Bundle.
And it would appear that I should actually cancel the Master Journal Bundle 5.1 pre-order until after the Theological Journal Library is actually purchased in order to get a better Master Journal Dynamic price.
Is that what I am understanding? In other words, the Master Journal Bundle 5.1 will not upgrade those of us who have all Galaxie Journals to date and Masters Journal Bundle 4.1 to include all that is in the Theological Journal Library. Is my understanding (though foggy) now correct?
Mark and Nathan, thanks for your input but still not clear for me
If you want all the journals, you need to pre-order both:
Galaxie Theological Journal Library 1-22
and
Master Journal Bundle 5.1
Galaxie 1-22 will ship first, dynamically priced to whatever you own. Master 5.1 will ship later, and the dynamic price will update reflecting any content you already own and any overlapping content in Galaxie 1-22.
If you only want to keep current with specifically what's from Galaxie, then only preorder Galaxie Theological Journal Library 1-22.
For the future, if you want all the journals, you need to continue to pre-order all future:
Galaxie Theological Journal Library bundles
Master Journal Bundles
If you only want to keep current with specifically what's from Galaxie, then only preorder Galaxie Theological Journal Library bundles in the future (the ones specifically marked "Galaxie".
Here's the difference between the two:
Master Journal Bundles: Includes much (but not all) of the content in the Galaxie bundle, but it does include extra journals not in the Galaxie bundle. This bundle is the bundle that Faithlife/Logos directly licenses from journal publishers. They have direct licenses to some (but not all) journals offered by Galaxie, plus they have licenses to some journals Galaxie doesn't.
Galaxie Theological Journal Library Bundles: Includes all of the content from Galaxie's own Theological Journal Library which mirrors what's included on the Galaxie website. Faithlife/Logos re-sells Galaxie's own Theological Journal Library as a bundle in Logos format. The bundle is in Logos format, but the content license itself comes from Galaxie (specifically for journals it hasn't licensed directly).
Thank you, Nathan. That was very clear. I now know I need to preorder both. It would be nice if FL would put your explanation on their website. It was clear.
Glad to assist. They're welcome to use it if they want. I could add this to my link as well to clarify things.
From what I can see with the pricing, Master 5.1 is not only dynamically priced but also has a sales discount. Galaxie 1-22 is only dynamically priced. So I plan to first buy Master 5.1 while in pre pub, and then buy Galaxie 1-22. The hope is that this approach is cheaper than if I purchase them in the order they become available. But I don't have any evidence for this.
Armin
That is a good point. I do not see much I will recieve from Galaxie 1-22 once receiving the Masters 5.1. I wonder if anyone else has a comment on this
If the journals obtained through Faithlife are better tagged and better functionality than those obtained through Galaxy, wouldn't it make sense to get the Master Journal first and then Galaxy's?
Sounds like a good plan
