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Matt Hamrick | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Apr 13 2017 8:39 AM

Currently, it shows 5 volumes releasing this year. My question is are we even going to see one?

 

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 2 2017 5:45 PM

2 Volumes - Amos, Jonah and Micah as well as Philippians have estimated release dates for this month.

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Matt Hamrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 2 2017 5:48 PM

Kind of like estimated dates last year when nothing arrived.

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André Kamphuis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 4:02 AM

Will we see this one come out today? Time

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Whyndell Gizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 4:59 AM

Àla Kazan Ala kzee make this book appear before me

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 5:13 AM

FL have got their money from those who prepaid for the whole set and have long dropped the ball on keeping the same customer up to date as to when individual volumes will ship.  They choose to not inforn their customers of date changes.

Matt Hamrick:

Currently, it shows 5 volumes releasing this year. My question is are we even going to see one?

 

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Jim Snowden | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 8:30 AM

The Amos, Jonah, & Micah volume was due on May 1st and hasn't been published and no word on its new date.

So I think a very minimal chance that Philippians (or any other volume in the EEC) will be published anywhere near the estimated release dates.

Not sure the point of Logos giving the dates when they are always missed. Seems rather  unprofessional to set a date, miss it, and then not to communicate the reason/new date.

Some volumes now have an estimated release date that is years after its original estimated date.

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Clifford B. Kvidahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 9:01 AM

Why are people shocked that commentaries miss their projected date of publication? This is not something unique to Logos. For example, I can find a publication date for updated ICC volumes that have long missed their projected date of publication. For example, Hebrews vol 1 was given a date of (2013), vol 2 (2015). Also, 1-2 Thess (2013). The tentative dates given are just that, tentative; they are not etched in stone. Many, many things can delay publication: edits; abandonment of the project all together; business of author; even death! Most publishers that I know do not even come close to the amount of communication that Lexham and Faithlife provide us. We seem to have become a bit spoiled by their openness, and the outrage that they do not communicate about things when we want them to seems rather silly. I understand that many of us have already paid for the set and are eager to get the volumes as soon as possible—I am one of those myself. But, I would rather have a volume that will stand up for years to come than a half-baked, rushed commentary that becomes dated rather quickly. So, let's all take a breath and hope that the wait produces volumes of impeccable scholarship. Is that not what we paid for when we preordered the set?

Cliff

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Mike Pettit | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 9:08 AM

Clifford B. Kvidahl:

Why are people shocked that commentaries miss their projected date of publication? This is not something unique to Logos. For example, I can find a publication date for updated ICC volumes that have long missed their projected date of publication. For example, Hebrews vol 1 was given a date of (2013), vol 2 (2015). Also, 1-2 Thess (2013). The tentative dates given are just that, tentative; they are not etched in stone. Many, many things can delay publication: edits; abandonment of the project all together; business of author; even death! Most publishers that I know do not even come close to the amount of communication that Lexham and Faithlife provide us. We seem to have become a bit spoiled by their openness, and the outrage that they do not communicate about things when we want them to seems rather silly. I understand that many of us have already paid for the set and are eager to get the volumes as soon as possible—I am one of those myself. But, I would rather have a volume that will stand up for years to come than a half-baked, rushed commentary that becomes dated rather quickly. So, let's all take a breath and hope that the wait produces volumes of impeccable scholarship. Is that not what we paid for when we preordered the set?

Cliff

Openness ? More like a bunker mentality where customers are a nuisance they would prefer to do without.

Faithlife is in crisis, quality and customer service are now just words that have no meaning for them. I really think that it is that bad, they do not even seem to recognise that they have problems which prevents them even starting to improve.

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Matt Hamrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 9:12 AM

The shock comes when Faithlife does not communicate. Even when they communicate they miss the mark with this series. I for one don't care when they are released, but I would at least like one released every couple years or so. The Philippians resource was supposed to be at the end of the year (2016) and here we are almost in the middle of 2017 still waiting. 

The entire business behind Logos Bible software has taken a big hit recently and I still think they are trying to work through several issues after the drawdown last year. The entire thread was me venting sarcastically about the EEC series.

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Clifford B. Kvidahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 9:17 AM

Mike,

I cannot comment on your projection of customers being a nuisance, since I have not received that type of response from my interactions with them. I do not want to downplay your experiences if this is the case.

I do want to ask though: what publisher (again, I am only referring to Lexham here specifically) has a forum where you can offer suggestions, corrections, etc. and get a response? Rarely do you find a publisher as transparent with their publication dates as Lexham. I am hesitant myself to connect bad customer experience with projected dates of publication, only because I know how these dates are fluid and in constant flux.

Again, I am not disagreeing with your experience with FL, just what I have seen here in this forum post regarding dates of publication.

Cliff

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Clifford B. Kvidahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 9:23 AM

One other thing to consider in the whole venture is the time it takes to edit. For example, Lexham has outside editors who work through the manuscript with the author. These editors all have full-time jobs of their own, with many of them having writing projects of their own that they are working on. This will also slow the process down if they have their own deadlines to meet with another publisher. My good friend is one of the editors, and I know just how hard he has worked on a few of the EEC manuscripts. I also know he did this while editing multiple volumes for publication and finishing his own monograph.

Just something else to consider in all of this.

Cliff

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Justin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 10:21 AM

We can confirm that EEC Philippians will be released in Logos today. 

We apologize for the delayed update regarding Amos, Jonah & Micah. We can confirm that the volume is written and currently in review with the series editors. Once the series editors have finished reviewing, it will be sent to us for copyediting. Right now we're tentatively projecting a December 2017 release. The product page will reflect this update soon. 

Thank you all and we hope you will be pleased with Mark Keown's EEC Philippians!

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 10:25 AM

I only own a couple volumes of the ECC and have not been following it too closely but I do think I read in another thread in 2016 no volumes were released even though several were suppose to be released. As pointed up above publishers really are not trying to deceive people and polishing books can take significantly more editing then one believes. Then there are the cases the author turns in a manuscript that for whatever reason is wholly unsuitable (I have no evidence this has happened but I have heard of it happening elsewhere). I honestly would not be surprised if this endeavour takes a good decade longer (or more) than originally conceived of, simply because there are so many variables outside the hands of Lexham press and even the variables controlled completely by them are sometimes more unwieldy than one might first have conceived.

-dan

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 11:35 AM

Justin Marr:

We can confirm that EEC Philippians will be released in Logos today. 

We apologize for the delayed update regarding Amos, Jonah & Micah. We can confirm that the volume is written and currently in review with the series editors. Once the series editors have finished reviewing, it will be sent to us for copyediting. Right now we're tentatively projecting a December 2017 release. The product page will reflect this update soon. 

Thank you all and we hope you will be pleased with Mark Keown's EEC Philippians!

This is great news. I'm planning on studying through Philippians very soon and am happy I'll have the EEC edition in time. Thank you!

Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 12:38 PM

Justin Marr:
We can confirm that EEC Philippians will be released in Logos today. 
Well that settles the question of what my next teaching series at the nursing home will be.  :-)

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David J. Wilson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 2:27 PM

Justin Marr:
We can confirm that EEC Philippians will be released in Logos today. 

Thank you Justin: my copy just downloaded..... Smile

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Josiah | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 31 2017 9:19 PM

Possibly not the place to say so, but I'm really enjoying these.  A lot of the Faithlife/Lexham/MobileEd resources have been uninteresting to me because I am not interested in video content, but I really like these series.  Amazing amount of value for money, would love to see more content like this.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 8:36 AM

Justin Marr:

We can confirm that EEC Philippians will be released in Logos today. 

We apologize for the delayed update regarding Amos, Jonah & Micah. We can confirm that the volume is written and currently in review with the series editors. Once the series editors have finished reviewing, it will be sent to us for copyediting. Right now we're tentatively projecting a December 2017 release. The product page will reflect this update soon. 

Thank you all and we hope you will be pleased with Mark Keown's EEC Philippians!

When might this be available on mobile sir?

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Travis Walter | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 1 2017 9:25 AM

wow there are dates for some volumes in 2023!

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