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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 18 2017 7:05 AM

No, simply because it's a "hybrid" drive. While reading, most activity is going to end up accessing the slower traditional drive.

8 Gb is simply not big enough for a program like Logos to keep anything useful "cached," not that it would all be dedicated to Logos.

Look for a 256 Gb SSD, and put your operating system and Logos on that drive. That by itself will speed up Logos significantly.

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Josh Hunt | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 18 2017 7:24 AM

PetahChristian:

No, simply because it's a "hybrid" drive. While reading, most activity is going to end up accessing the slower traditional drive.

8 Gb is simply not big enough for a program like Logos to keep anything useful "cached," not that it would all be dedicated to Logos.

Look for a 256 Gb SSD, and put your operating system and Logos on that drive. That by itself will speed up Logos significantly.

Well, it is a laptop with 600 GB of data on it. Amazon has a 960 GB SSD for laptop, but it is $260. Think how many books I could get for $260!

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 18 2017 9:26 AM

I have a hybrid in a laptop. I don't think it's all that great. The usual bottleneck in a laptop is that the HD runs at 5400 RPM. A 7200 RPM drive is much better for Logos.I'm pretty sure you can get one for a laptop if an SSD is too pricey. But you'd love the SSD!

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 18 2017 10:28 AM

Josh Hunt:
would this sshd hard drive speed up logos

See this comment by Dave: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/140706/897171.aspx#897171 

If you goal is to "speed up" Logos, you need to have the fastest drive possible. That won't be the cheapest drive! 

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Diego Lara | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 18 2017 10:51 AM

Josh

What you can do is leave all your files and on your current HD drive and install a new 240GB SSD drive which will run you for a bit over 100 bucks and install Windows and all your software including logos on that. This way all the applications will run on the super fast SSD drive and all your files, documents, photos, videos, music etc will run on the slower HD drive. Now you will have an entire HD drive just for storage and the SSD drive for your applications and Logos will run much faster. 

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Travis Walter | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 18 2017 11:10 AM

if you have a newer machine skip SATA SSD and go directly to PCIe Gen 3 SSD's aka M2 drives.  But your machine has to have M2 slots.

This is a good example of them:  http://www.samsung.com/us/computing/memory-storage/solid-state-drives/ssd-960-evo-m-2-250gb-mz-v6e250bw/

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 18 2017 11:53 AM

Josh Hunt:

Well, it is a laptop with 600 GB of data on it. Amazon has a 960 GB SSD for laptop, but it is $260. Think how many books I could get for $260!

In my experience, having a SSD is the single most important change someone can make to speed up Logos (8GB of RAM or more also makes a big difference compared to 4GB or less). You'd have to decide if it's worth it for you or not, but as far as speed goes, it will make a big difference!

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 18 2017 12:32 PM

Josh Hunt:

I moved from a 7200rpm hybrid drive to an SSD (fastest available at the time) & was disappointed. Statistically, a hybrid already gets 85% of the performance gain you'll experience on the SSD, & that's what I observed. I didn't know I had a hybrid until after the fact, when I discovered that internally there was a 12Gb SSD mated to the 750GB 7200rpm h/d. So if you want the most bang for least cost, I'd go with a 7200rpm hybrid.

That said, I won't go back. I paid ~$300 for a 256GB hybrid. I'll pay whatever it costs for about 1TB, next time. So $260 for 960Gb looks like a bargain for the performance I'd expect.

There's an even newer technology than serial ata 3 that's coming in some new laptops, & I understand that SSDs are already being released for it. They're supposed to make today's SSD look slow in comparison...  Isn't that always the way it is on performance? LOL

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Travis Walter | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 18 2017 1:41 PM

Bill S -- that is what I was refering too.. M2 drives PCIe Gen 3 SSDs. 

I have a 1 TB and a 500GB drive in a desktop and laptop.  They do make SSDs look slow.

Samsung 960 EVOs are the best rated IMO, they are roughly $125 for 256GB, $250 for 500GB, $500 for 1TB.

WD just released their PCIe drives, but the specs of them are slower by a good bit from the Samsung.  However they are cheaper.

Again your MB has to have M2 slots or you have to buy a PCIe adapter card.

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Josh Hunt | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 18 2017 2:12 PM

I am assuming this won't work in a laptop

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JRS | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 18 2017 2:14 PM

SATA, M.2, PCIe, NVMe ... SSDs can get confusing very fast.  This guy (from Asus) does a pretty good job of explaining it all.  

One more point to remember:  Storage and retrieval speed is king when it comes to Logos but it can reach a point where increased speed just isn't noticeable anymore and is a waste of money.  For example, below is the ATTO speed benchmark for a 1TB Samsung 960 Pro SSD.  It's super fast but even if one were to double the speed, I doubt that it would be noticeable to the user.

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 18 2017 4:10 PM

I read that even the fastest PCIe aren't all that much faster in a noticeable difference from a good SSD. It's mostly going to an SSD. There's lots of behind the scene stuff with Logos startup including download settings and uploading when you close.

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Travis Walter | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 18 2017 5:21 PM

Josh Hunt:

I am assuming this won't work in a laptop

I have one in a laptop. but its a new one with M2 slot

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Travis Walter | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 18 2017 5:22 PM

mab:

I read that even the fastest PCIe aren't all that much faster in a noticeable difference from a good SSD. It's mostly going to an SSD. There's lots of behind the scene stuff with Logos startup including download settings and uploading when you close.

well reading is interesting.. i have both in the same machine and i can tell the difference.. but hey you can read about it, I'll just use mine and be happy.

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 18 2017 5:59 PM

Spinner 5400rpm > Spinner 7200rpm > SSD Sata III > M.2 Sata III > M.2 NVMe

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Travis Walter | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 18 2017 7:28 PM

mike:

Spinner 5400rpm > Spinner 7200rpm > SSD Sata III > M.2 Sata III > M.2 NVMe

thank you Mike.  The NVMe is the PCIe ones.

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Josh Hunt | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 19 2017 5:26 AM

mab:

I read that even the fastest PCIe aren't all that much faster in a noticeable difference from a good SSD. It's mostly going to an SSD. There's lots of behind the scene stuff with Logos startup including download settings and uploading when you close.

I am guessing that with an SSD and and otherwise decent computer, Logos would become fast enough. It is nice to reduce a search from 10 seconds to 2. Going from 2 to 1 is not that important. At some point, fast enough is fast enough. 

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Ezra Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 22 2017 9:04 PM

I bought a Lenovo gaming laptop with the PCI-E SSD that some have mentioned.  They are VERY fast. The bad part is that they are very expensive.  I went with 128GB SSD.  The difference between my Lenovo and my wife's old laptop is not that much after upgrading it to Windows 10.  The differences though, when noticable, are noticable.  It takes longer on hers to start Logos and do main tasks.  But hers is 4 years older. I upgraded to an SSD and that helped out tons.

So generally, you just need a new SSD.  Check your laptop, the bottom especially.  You might be able to use two drives--one SSD for Windows and Logos.  And the other drive for other things.  That's generally how I do it.

What brand and model do you have?

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 22 2017 9:24 PM

Old Spinner 5400 & 7200rpm

SSD Sata

M.2 Sata

M.2 NVMe

Difference between M.2 Sata vs. M.2 NVMe

Hope this can help some...

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