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Miles Custis | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, May 3 2017 9:31 AM

I'm happy to announce our new Logos Academic Training Bundle is available now. These courses are mostly screencast videos that help you use Logos Bible Software for specific academic tasks:

The Logos Academic Training series consists of four short courses designed to help you get the most out of Logos Bible Software.The courses are task focused, showing you how to use Logos to accomplish specific academic undertakings.You can watch each course individually or work through all four in sequence using the Courses Tool.

Getting Oriented with Logos Bible Software (LT101) introduces the software’s tools and capabilities, showing you how to begin by organizing your research with Logos. Studying a Passage with Logos Bible Software (LT102) walks you through different ways to use Logos to study the Bible—an essential task. Studying a Topic with Logos Bible Software (LT103) demonstrates how to do a topical study with Logos. Finally, Organizing and Presenting Research with Logos Bible Software (LT104) takes you through the final steps of applying what you’ve learned by sharing it with others through academic papers, crafting a sermon, or any other type of presentation, using proper citations along the way.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 5 2017 6:42 PM

Are these simply Logos Pro Training screencasts that have been bundled together or is this completely new material? It is disapointing there is no Samples or outlines provided in the webpage like there is done with other mobile Ed products.

Further questions:

1. how do these compare with the QuickStart videos that come with the software - what does this mean for the future of QuickStart videos in Logos 8 and beyond.

2. What does this mean for the Morris Procter Academic Training that was released for Logos 5 (LT151) and Logos 161 (LT161), will there be no LT171?

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Ryan Robinson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 6 2017 6:48 AM

I rarely critique (and I don't like to). And I doubt y'all are going to change your approach to some of this. But, let me say a few things about this:

1. Expensive. 

2. A lot of this stuff is already accessible from multiple avenues. 

3. Logos users shouldn't have to pay for simple training like this. Especially over 20 dollars an hour. 

4. Doesn't seem too academic from the breakdown of things.

One of the other bible software companies does 3-4 hour-long trainings each week for free. They are much smaller with far less resources available than faithlife. You think you could offer resources like this for free to help people who have invested a good chunk of money into the software. 

I doubt this approach is ever going to change for faithlife because there is profit that has been made on this stuff. But, I, knowing what I know, would maybe pay $10 for? Probably still wouldn't pay anything. 

I say all this loving the product I use daily. I appreciate faithlife. I just have never agreed with this approach to helping people how to learn the software. I think the approach by the other bible software is much more proper as a business. It shows care for the customer IMO.

Again. Thanks for your software product. Hope you can maybe reconsider your approach to training people who use it.

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Mark Bernard | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 8 2017 8:34 AM

As someone who has previously purchased course-ware on Logos I would have to say this, once bitten, twice shy. With the amount of money verses the amount of content that you are given in general I have found the value for money, unfortunately, is not there. With all the scholarly access that Logos has, you need to lift your game significantly. 

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 9 2017 1:17 PM

Bump...

any answers to these questions Miles?

Disciple of Christ (doc):

Are these simply Logos Pro Training screencasts that have been bundled together or is this completely new material? It is disapointing there is no Samples or outlines provided in the webpage like there is done with other mobile Ed products.

Further questions:

1. how do these compare with the QuickStart videos that come with the software - what does this mean for the future of QuickStart videos in Logos 8 and beyond.

2. What does this mean for the Morris Procter Academic Training that was released for Logos 5 (LT151) and Logos 161 (LT161), will there be no LT171?

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Miles Custis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 9 2017 3:55 PM

Sorry, I meant to respond yesterday. These are completely new videos. The courses are mostly screencast videos, but there are some studio segments featuring Mark Ward that provide some transition between screencasts as well. We added a promo video to the product page, and we'll get the outlines added too.

Mobile Ed's instructional designers worked with the Logos Pro team to design these courses. They highlight key features of Logos, but they do so with specific tasks in mind—studying a passage or topic or presenting your research. In designing the courses this way, we end up walking through the steps of those tasks showing how you can use Logos to accomplish them. Several seminaries require Logos, and we envision these courses being a part of these schools' curriculum.

I believe the QuickStart videos are more feature-based in that they walk you through how to use this feature, then that feature, etc. They are more of a video manual. As far as I know, this bundle has no bearing on any future QuickStart videos. We are not planning on making a Mobile Ed version of Morris Proctor's Academic Training (previously LT151 and LT161). I am not sure if a video version of that training—similar to his Camp Logos videos—will be available or not.

I hope that answers all your questions.

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HansK | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 9 2017 6:28 PM

These videos should be available for free. That's my opinion. You offer us very good software, but we pay a lot for it. Please give us access to help for free. This is confusing.

Hans

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 9 2017 9:19 PM

Thank you for responding Miles. It was helpful, some components of this set look interesting, and others not so, I really don't need another video telling me to type a passage or topic in the go box on home page. At 20% off it is still a little bit to expensive by the time I convert it into my local currency given the portion of this content that is already available via other sources. 

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Miles Custis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 10 2017 7:51 AM

Hans Kraayenhof:

These videos should be available for free. That's my opinion. You offer us very good software, but we pay a lot for it. Please give us access to help for free. This is confusing.

Hans

Hans, there are a number of free training options available. The Logos 7: Quickstart videos come with base packages, and you can check out the various Logos Pro training videos for free online at https://www.logos.com/logos-pro.

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Adam Borries (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 15 2017 9:11 AM

Miles Custis:

Hans Kraayenhof:

These videos should be available for free. That's my opinion. You offer us very good software, but we pay a lot for it. Please give us access to help for free. This is confusing.

Hans

Hans, there are a number of free training options available. The Logos 7: Quickstart videos come with base packages, and you can check out the various Logos Pro training videos for free online at https://www.logos.com/logos-pro.

Hans, in addition to the resources Miles listed, I would encourage you to take a look at LT271, which is included with Logos 7. It's a pretty comprehensive walkthrough of a practical study of Jonah 1 using a wide range of Logos tools. The LAT courses differ slightly in focus, in that they are designed specifically with an academic setting in mind. 

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