Mounce's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words

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Jonathan West | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Mar 25 2010 4:24 AM

Does anyone know if this resource will be indexed using Greek/Hebrew as well as English? In other words, will it appear in Bible Word Study or the right-click for a lemma in an interlinear, for example? Or at least be indexed by Strong number giving a similar effect?

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Jonathan West | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 26 2010 6:39 AM

Bounce ???

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Paul Golder | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 26 2010 6:55 AM

Jonathan West:

Does anyone know if this resource will be indexed using Greek/Hebrew as well as English? In other words, will it appear in Bible Word Study or the right-click for a lemma in an interlinear, for example? Or at least be indexed by Strong number giving a similar effect?

Well I know that the print edition is keyed to the Strong's and the G/K numbering system. So I would think that it would at least be linked to the Strong's in Logos, I have not seen anything about the G/K numbering or the Greek text itself.

Although with the forthcoming NIV reverse interlinear, and Logos being the electronic publisher of Zondervan titles, I'm hoping that the inclusion of the G/K numbering system would be a certainty.

 

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Jonathan West | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 26 2010 8:18 AM

Thanks for the input. Looks like a useful resource - how do you find it?

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Paul Golder | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 26 2010 8:55 AM

Jonathan West:

Thanks for the input. Looks like a useful resource - how do you find it?

You can find a full description on the Zondervan website.

"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 8 2010 10:12 PM

Do Expository Dictionary means the same thing as a Theological Dictionary? So, this is in some sense a concise theological dictionary?

Thanks.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 8 2010 11:04 PM

Paul Golder:

Jonathan West:

Does anyone know if this resource will be indexed using Greek/Hebrew as well as English? In other words, will it appear in Bible Word Study or the right-click for a lemma in an interlinear, for example? Or at least be indexed by Strong number giving a similar effect?

Well I know that the print edition is keyed to the Strong's and the G/K numbering system. So I would think that it would at least be linked to the Strong's in Logos, I have not seen anything about the G/K numbering or the Greek text itself.

Although with the forthcoming NIV reverse interlinear, and Logos being the electronic publisher of Zondervan titles, I'm hoping that the inclusion of the G/K numbering system would be a certainty.

Well, you were probably hoping for an answer to this question before it came out of pre-pub, but I'm sorry I only saw your question just now, and anyway I wouldn't have been able to answer it if I didn't have the resource already.

Yes, the Hebrew-English and Greek-English parts of the dictionary are indexed with GK numbers, and you can right-click for a lemma to look things up in it. It does not appear to be indexed with Strongs #'s, though.

Here's a look at the possible active indexes:

The Expository dictionary part is indexed only by English headword and page number.

Kolen Cheung:

Do Expository Dictionary means the same thing as a Theological Dictionary? So, this is in some sense a concise theological dictionary?

Yes, pretty much the same thing. The Expository dictionary section of this work is kind of like a concise theological dictionary. Here's a brief excerpt to show you an idea:

Here are excerpts from the Table of Contents:

 

 

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 8 2010 11:44 PM

Thanks. Actually I bought it in the pre-pub. And after I looked at it, I found that it is like a concise theological dictionary. That's why I ask so.

Then I think it is a good resources to look at first, right? After reading this, then I can further decide if I should jump into the NIDNTT, etc.

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Dewayne Davis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 9 2010 7:33 AM

How would this resource compare to the Vines?

“... every day in which I do not penetrate more deeply into the knowledge of God’s Word in Holy Scripture is a lost day for me. I can only move forward with certainty upon the firm ground of the Word of God.”

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Si | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 9 2010 9:35 AM

Dewayne Davis:

How would this resource compare to the Vines?

 It is essentially the same type and level of work as Vines, but takes into account recent scholarship.  This typically makes Mounce a more accurate reference work when compared to Vines.  See the product page for Mounce for more information: http://www.logos.com/ebooks/details/MOUNCEEXPDIC.

 

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Jonathan West | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 9 2010 9:36 AM

It is my understanding that it is really a replacement for Vines as Vines is knocking on a bit now and Mounce is new (results of modern scholarship etc.)

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Jonathan West | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 9 2010 9:49 AM

So (to give an answer to my original question myself now I have it!), here's how you could use Mounce from Greek or Interlinear ...

Richt-click on a word (and if using Interlinear ensure Lemma is selected) ... the lexicons will be listed (and in my case I have prioritised Mounce to be at the top) ... click on Mounce

 

This then comes up ...

 

(note seems to be indexed by Strongs) ... you can then click on the "see ..." bit, e.g. clicking on "see demon" on the Strong's 1228 gives this ...

So in other words you can use it as a Theological Dictionary of English words, and also as a lexicon with links to each topic.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 9 2010 10:50 AM

Dewayne Davis:
How would this resource compare to the Vines?

From the publisher's site:

Presenting the Vine’s of the 21st century!...

For years, Vine’s Expository Dictionary has been the standard word study tool for pastors and laypeople, selling millions of copies. But sixty-plus years of scholarship have shed extensive new light on the use of biblical Greek and Hebrew, creating the need for a new, more accurate, more thorough dictionary of Bible words...

What makes Mounce’s superior to Vine’s?
 
· The most accurate, in-depth definitions based on the best of modern evangelical scholarship
 
· Both Greek and Hebrew words are found under each English entry (Vine’s separates them)
 
· Employs both Strong’s and G/K numbering systems (Vine’s only uses Strong’s)
 
· Mounce’s accuracy is endorsed by leading scholars

To me, the biggest and the most important difference is that you can now study the word from the original languages using the indexes in Mounce's.

And from the way they name and design the book and how they advertise it, you see that they actually want to replace Vine's (Today's Vine's -> Mounce's, and this is the only difference in the name of the book).

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 9 2010 11:40 AM

Jonathan West:

This then comes up ...

 

(note seems to be indexed by Strongs) ... you can then click on the "see ..." bit, e.g. clicking on "see demon" on the Strong's 1228 gives this ...

Those are GK numbers, not Strong's. If you type 1228 into the reference box, it jumps to that location and changes the reference box to show you what that index is:

The Strong's number of that word is included in brackets in italic within the definition (1140), but if you click on it, it opens a resource indexed by Strong's.

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Jonathan West | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 9 2010 1:33 PM

I stand correctly corrected Rosie! I think I was misled by the numbers being very similar on one word I looked at when I first got it ...

If you select the Strongs from the right-click menu Mounce is not available as a lookup resource. In other words, the resource from which you are linking must have GK numbering or links directly from the Greek Lemma. So you can select Lemma and it finds it .

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