Crossway a new competitor?

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Michael S. | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Jun 14 2017 3:38 AM

Look out LOGOS...or not?

Crossway is launching a subscription service that gives access to many Bible features, language tools and commentary.  It appears to be a basic start, but I am sure it intends to grow.

https://www.crossway.org/articles/introducing-subscriptions-for-esv-org/

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 14 2017 4:03 AM

This has been around for sometime with a one off fee to purchase access  to various modules. Interesting to note they are moving to a subscription model at a very low price making it a very attractive entry level tool for those who want to dig a little deeper but don't want to pay for a full blown bible software package. The Greek and Hebrew modules though are still separate purchases outside of the subscription model.

Michael S.:

Look out LOGOS...or not?

Crossway is launching a subscription service that gives access to many Bible features, language tools and commentary.  It appears to be a basic start, but I am sure it intends to grow.

https://www.crossway.org/articles/introducing-subscriptions-for-esv-org/

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James Chandler | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 14 2017 6:33 AM

I can't see myself moving to this plan. I have too much invested in Logos.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 14 2017 8:30 AM

James Chandler:

I can't see myself moving to this plan. I have too much invested in Logos.

Me too. The only other software for me has been WS due to tons of sermon outlines and cheaper versions of commentaries.  And now Accordance too for their cool graphics, but I'm still test driving this one.

DAL

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 14 2017 9:57 AM

Same here.

James Chandler:

I can't see myself moving to this plan. I have too much invested in Logos.

mm.

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 14 2017 10:57 AM

James Chandler:

I can't see myself moving to this plan. I have too much invested in Logos.

Of course not, but we are not the targeted market. 

There are no critical scholarly commentaries in their plan, and just one commentary, "Preaching the Word".  It is a pretty good expository commentary, though I prefer James Boice's expository commentaries.  The bottom line is that they have nothing for serious study, yet.

Still, I think they will have a market.  However, I think someone who wants to seriously study the Bible would be better served by buying one of the starter sets offered by Logos.  Even the free stuff offered by Logos would probably be a better choice, unless you want to parrot someone else's sermon.  After all, the "Preaching the Word" material is available free to read on the internet.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 14 2017 2:43 PM

I agree Michael Logos is a better proposition as essentially they are offering a whole lot of study bibles and one commentary set for 3.99 month versus what you get in Logos Cloud Starter for 8.99 a month is streets ahead but a beginner in the pew of a church may still say that it's twice the price and there is too much stuff in the Logos Cloud Starter and feel overwhelmed by it all.

What the Crossway offering does also have over the Logos offering is a simple to use established web platform that has a much less steeper learning curve than in comparison to Logos. Logos on the other hand has a complex desktop application that a new user not exposed to this level of bible software before is going to find difficult to get used to the terminology and concepts like indexing or they have a web app that is still in beta ( despite what the sales and marketing staff want to say about it) and is missing a lot of functionality. 

Another thing Crossway, at this point in time offers the person in the pew is that it is a limited set of resources so people are not getting bombarded in the app and via email with constant advertising. 

https://logoscloud.com/products/138567/logos-cloud-starter 

As a very long time user of bible software who has grown with the advances of the technology and used to dealing with a large number of resources I am not going to be interested in the Crossway platform for serious bible study, but for the person in the pew who has never gone beyond their hardcover ESV study bible this platform will be appealing.

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Jonathan Bradley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 15 2017 4:55 AM

I am considering using the Crossway plan in addition to Logos, as I cannot afford the Preaching the Word Commentary series, but I can afford $4 a month. 

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Gavin Murphy | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 16 2017 3:20 PM

They will need an interlinear! 

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Gavin Murphy | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 16 2017 3:25 PM

Could be cool! 

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 16 2017 4:00 PM

They do have both Hebrew and Greek reverse Interlinears. But they are not part of the subscription. You have to go to the store and purchase them as add on modules.

The Murphys:

They will need an interlinear! 

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 16 2017 5:00 PM

I wonder what their NOTES will be like????

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Gavin Murphy | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 16 2017 5:04 PM

That's pretty awesome!

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Erwin Stull, Sr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 16 2017 5:35 PM

James Chandler:

I can't see myself moving to this plan. I have too much invested in Logos.

I can't see it making much sense for anyone with a Logos investment to subscribe to any similar program. Resources are not cross-platform. I am comfortable with, and like Logos, so I wouldn't consider it.

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 16 2017 8:25 PM

Erwin Stull, Sr.:
I can't see it making much sense for anyone with a Logos investment

Speed, and ease of use.

Logos has an immense learning curve and searching is cumbersome and slow until you finish the curve. These internet-based tools are easy to learn (mainly because they don't have near the power of a program like Logos) and things can usually be found quickly.

As I've argued in the past, Logos needs to find a menu-based way for much of their search capabilities to open up a large segment of the market. Most people don't need the power that Logos has, and want to find stuff without learning a programming language. Logos needs to keep the power it has for academics and specialists while adding a menu-based way to do searches on top, for the rest of the folks.

My thanks to the various MVPs. Without them Logos would have died early. They were the only real help available.

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Mike W | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 17 2017 5:16 PM

I couldn't see much value for myself in the subscription but the Greek and Hebrew tools on the website (purchased separately) are useful since since the LOGOS web app and IOS apps don't yet do interlinears ( the website works well on tablets and chromebook).

Erwin Stull, Sr.:

James Chandler:

I can't see myself moving to this plan. I have too much invested in Logos.

I can't see it making much sense for anyone with a Logos investment to subscribe to any similar program. Resources are not cross-platform. I am comfortable with, and like Logos, so I wouldn't consider it.

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Ashley Murphy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 18 2017 4:05 PM

I'll stick with Logos!

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Ashley Murphy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 18 2017 4:11 PM

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