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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Jul 21 2017 12:38 PM

What is the relationship between these two programs?  I have had Logos.  I am interested in things Catholic and noticed I could download Verbum 7 for free.  I did, and I didn't see anything different, so I figured they were incorporated into one.  Today I noticed the Verbum icon on my desktop, clicked it, and it's been downloading for hours.  These can't all be unique resources to Verbum.  Am I getting duplicate resources? I got the impression that in Verbum, the passage guide includes more features.

How can I get the most out of each program?  Can the features of one be used in the other?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 21 2017 1:06 PM

The engines (software) is virtually identical. For most users, they should choose one and stick with it. Having both does mean 2x storage space taken, so yes, you are downloading duplicate notes & resources. 

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 21 2017 1:10 PM

Others can give you a bit more detail...

1) Both Logos and Verbum share the same library. You will have the same books and datasets with both programs.

2) If you have the appropriate license - which obviously you do, you can make Logos look and work as Verbum by putting "Set Verbum to Yes" in the command box.

3) In Logos mode, it defaults to the Protestant canon. In Verbum mode it defaults to the canon defined at Trent. I believe it integrates a bit of Saints days, but have not really looked into it.

While hard drive space is cheap nowadays, I personally see no reason to have my library downloaded twice, and having to index twice, etc. Personally I would uninstall Verbum and play around in Logos in Verbum mode for when I want Verbum.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 21 2017 1:16 PM

Verbum and Logos do not share files so you may have both installed on your system.... you could manually copy over the resources into the new verbum folder....  

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 21 2017 1:16 PM

I would think that Logos and Verbum would want to make all the features accessible for both programs.  

I have maybe 20,000 books in Logos.  Are they going to download all of them again?  They must be smarter than that.

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 21 2017 1:21 PM

I'm interested in being able to switch back and forth.  I'm not clear on how to do that.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 21 2017 1:32 PM

Larry Craig:
I'm interested in being able to switch back and forth.  I'm not clear on how to do that.

Ken explained:

Ken McGuire:
you can make Logos look and work as Verbum by putting "Set Verbum to Yes"

The reverse would be "No"

Larry Craig:
I would think that Logos and Verbum would want to make all the features accessible for both programs.

Verbum is intended for a Catholic audience. Not all users would appreciate those features.

Larry Craig:
I have maybe 20,000 books in Logos.  Are they going to download all of them again?  They must be smarter than that.

It isn't intended for users to install both apps... although some users do so. 

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 21 2017 1:48 PM

I don't understand how to switch back and forth

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 21 2017 2:31 PM

Larry Craig:

I don't understand how to switch back and forth

I(n the Command Box type, "Set Verbum" the dropdown should then look like this

Clicking the appropriate command (tool) should switch you from one to the other

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 21 2017 2:32 PM

Larry Craig:

I don't understand how to switch back and forth

In the command bar, next to tools enter Set Verbum to Yes.

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 21 2017 2:34 PM

thank you

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Michel Pauw | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 22 2017 5:31 PM

I have Logos by default, but also bought Verbum basic for free for some of the resources / features that came with it. However, I've not yet actively used Verbum instead of Logos. By this thread I figured out that we can set Verbum to Yes.

My question is: what will be different if I 'set Verbum to Yes'?

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 22 2017 5:33 PM

my situation exactly

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doc | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 22 2017 5:54 PM

Michel Pauw:

I have Logos by default, but also bought Verbum basic for free for some of the resources / features that came with it. However, I've not yet actively used Verbum instead of Logos. By this thread I figured out that we can set Verbum to Yes.

My question is: what will be different if I 'set Verbum to Yes'?

Some of the differences include the use of an extended Cannon beyond the 66 books of the Protestant Cannon, the ability to show Saint of the Day in home page with a link to reading about the Saint, the default out of the box resource proprieties change eg Catholic bible's and lectionaries have higher priority - but if you have set your own priorities these won't be overridden by switching to Verbum, Three built in collections - one relating to CCC, one to church documents, and the third eludes me right now, the passage guide includes a catholic topical index section. These are the main ones I can think of besides the obvious change of the Program logo.

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 22 2017 5:58 PM

thank you

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 22 2017 5:59 PM

so I lose nothing but gain a little something by using Verbum?

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Michel Pauw:

My question is: what will be different if I 'set Verbum to Yes'?

Not much.

  • The default priorities of a few resources are adjusted (you can recreate this yourself).
  • A couple of system collections are made available (you can recreate this yourself).
  • The default guide templates look a little different (you can recreate this using your own custom templates).
  • There's a slightly different list of resources that download by default before starting the application on a fresh install.
  • Some URLs in the application point to verbum.com instead of logos.com.
  • An extended default Cannon beyond the 66 books of the Protestant Cannon (thanks, DoC)
  • The ability to show Saint of the Day in home page with a link to reading about the Saint (thanks, DoC)

There's probably a couple other items I'm not remembering, but not much of significance. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Another thing to note is that it would not be surprising if, at some point in the future, this command gets removed from the application (I have no details on when or if this might occur). It's existence causes a few problems that we'd like to eliminate at some point.

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Orpheus Heyward | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 22 2017 7:35 PM

I would only add that although i have Logos, The verbum training videos are second to none.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 23 2017 1:40 AM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
Another thing to note is that it would not be surprising if, at some point in the future, this command gets removed from the application (I have no details on when or if this might occur). It's existence causes a few problems that we'd like to eliminate at some point.

I still object to this being anything other than a setting. Many of us own both Logos & Verbum because our work requires us to deal with both user communities OR because our particular interests are best served by having both. The problem that currently exists is that the contents of a saved guide changes if you open a Logos Guide in Verbum - the unsupported sections are dropped so that when you open it again in Logos the additional Logos sections are lost. Not a good implementation. Having a single application with default behavior handled by a setting is the better approach as it minimizes the likelihood of this sort of mistep.

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 23 2017 5:12 AM

MJ. Smith:

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
Another thing to note is that it would not be surprising if, at some point in the future, this command gets removed from the application (I have no details on when or if this might occur). It's existence causes a few problems that we'd like to eliminate at some point.

I still object to this being anything other than a setting. Many of us own both Logos & Verbum because our work requires us to deal with both user communities OR because our particular interests are best served by having both. The problem that currently exists is that the contents of a saved guide changes if you open a Logos Guide in Verbum - the unsupported sections are dropped so that when you open it again in Logos the additional Logos sections are lost. Not a good implementation. Having a single application with default behavior handled by a setting is the better approach as it minimizes the likelihood of this sort of mistep.

Yes I’d vote for a single application where each of the enumerated differences are an independent setting.

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