Flat Earth Anyone: ONE HUNDRED PROOFS

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 1 2021 6:09 AM

David Paul:
Just one quick point/question. People who support flat earth typically say they are just "following Scripture" by "accepting what the Bible says".

Excellent discussion points. But 'like it or not' on Sunday morning in Bible class, the pastor has to dutifully explain why all the earthlings and their associated possessions didn't fall off the suddenly stopped spinning earth. People aren't stupid (in general) ... they HAVE to ask. And everyone knows, the poor guy (usually) has to deliver.

Now, to keep this within forum guidelines (at least the proverbial coffeetable), my opinion (strictly my own), is Logos tries to just 'skip it' (how you resolve text with doctrine), or alternatively, sell apologetic books that fail to impress .... next Sunday, 'are tattoo's realy satanic?' (Leviticus extended).

Which is why I advocate a doctrinal mapping tool (to the text). By denomination.

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Jerry Bush | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 1 2021 8:12 AM

Chuck Easley:

Yes of course, science. Speaking of science, I better put my mask on and go get that experimental vaccine for that virus that’s never actually been found in a human. But hey, the scientists did find it in a Petri dish, and that’s good enough for me. Besides, I saw a well known Baptist preacher say the vaccine is a gift from God. Wish me luck. Talk to y’all later this afternoon

Wow. I can't tell if you are serious or doing parody to get a rise out of people.

Either way, this is hilarious!

Jerry

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David Wanat | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 1 2021 9:41 AM

DMB:

Excellent discussion points. But 'like it or not' on Sunday morning in Bible class, the pastor has to dutifully explain why all the earthlings and their associated possessions didn't fall off the suddenly stopped spinning earth. People aren't stupid (in general) ... they HAVE to ask. And everyone knows, the poor guy (usually) has to deliver.

most (that is, crossing denominational lines) theological works I’ve seen would point out that God worked a miracle, which goes beyond the natural world and cannot be explained by science. We don’t know how it worked but we can know that it would not have the consequences it would if it happened through only natural causes.

I think certain theological views have trouble though. Some expect science to follow the Bible and when it doesn’t, they argue that science is false. Others expect the Bible to follow science and, when it doesn’t, claims that the Bible “errs.” If one of them posts on the forums, expect sparks to fly.

FL would probably rather avoid the debates that arise from these conflicting views. It’s not the purpose of the forum. Hence, banning theological debate.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 1 2021 10:35 AM

David Wanat:
I think certain theological views have trouble though. Some expect science to follow the Bible and when it doesn’t, they argue that science is false. Others expect the Bible to follow science and, when it doesn’t, claims that the Bible “errs.”

Agree completely. Again, just my thinking, the theologian/churchmen mistake is always to un-miracle the accounts, thinking it'll better sell, after the Enlightenment. That is why my two favorite churchmen are Tertullian (got tangled in the text but climbed out), and Marcion (demonstrated people can believe pretty much anything).

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Chuck Easley | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 1 2021 11:15 AM

I decided to skip the quackcine injection. Too many side-effects, according to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. I am announcing my move over to ChristianForums.com. They list Unitarians as non-Christians, so I will not be allowed to post in their "Christian Only" sub-forums, per their rules. They consider Unitarians like myself to be in the same category as the following religions: 

(list copied from their website)

Buddhist
Deist
Hindu
Jehovahs-Witness
Judaism
Mormon
Muslim
Oneness
Other-Religion
Pagan
Pantheist
Seeker
Taoist
Unitarian (here I am, near the bottom)
Unorthodox

Wish me luck!

Cheers!

P.S. When you wake up every morning, ask yourself this one question: Does the Earth feel like it is moving or does it feel like it is stationary? If you answer stationary, then welcome to the club!!!

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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 1 2021 1:56 PM

DominicM:
it may only provide some of you with comedic value.


I stand by what I wrote, too many of you taking this post way to seriously

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David Wanat | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 1 2021 2:00 PM

DominicM:

DominicM:
it may only provide some of you with comedic value.


I stand by what I wrote, too many of you taking this post way to seriously

If it's any consolation, I took it in the spirit it was offered in Smile

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 1 2021 3:07 PM

A few book suggestions (some in Logos, others requested.)

  • Russell, Inventing the Flat Earth: Columbus and Modern HIstorians
  • Peterson, Flat Earths and Fake Footnotes: The Strange Tale of How the Conflict of Science and Christianity Was Written Into History
  • Greenwood, Scripture and Cosmology : Reading the Bible Between the Ancient World and Modern Science

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 18 2021 9:48 AM

Chuck Easley:
They list Unitarians as non-Christians, so I will not be allowed to post in their "Christian Only" sub-forums

Hi Chuck, just curious is there any web site that explains accurately what Unitarians believe, etc.? Thanks ahead of time for the info.

Peace and grace.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 18 2021 4:51 PM

Hamilton Ramos:
is there any web site that explains accurately what Unitarians believe, etc.?

Having a best friend, aunt, and daughter-in-law who were/are unitarian, I know you must first distinguish whether you mean unitarian (Christian) or Unitarian Universalist. Then you must recognize that Unitarians represent a theological stream not an individual church. Our Unitarian Universalist Faith | UUA.org does a decent job of defining one strand. Note the Principles and Sources and you'll have a good understanding of them.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 19 2021 11:54 AM

Thank you for the link MJ.

Do you know what is UU position on Spiritual Intelligence?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_intelligence

Peace and grace.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 19 2021 4:05 PM

Hamilton Ramos:
just curious is there any web site that explains

Not a LOGOS question!

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 19 2021 4:06 PM

Hamilton Ramos:
Do you know what is UU position on

Also NOT a Logos question

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 19 2021 8:03 PM

Hamilton Ramos:
Do you know what is UU position on Spiritual Intelligence?

No question about my personal knowledge is answerable in Logos. However, the link I gave you includes several position papers. That should show you what types of issues they take positions on. 

original answer - shortened:

1. First use Logos to identify position papers - read them to understand the time frame in which position papers have been written by which denominations and on what topics.

2. Use Logos to compare position papers to creedal statements to see how denominations use creedal statements to support position papers and to what extent they write position papers on topics outside their creedal statements.

3. Use Logos to understand the creedal statements of the Unitarian Universalists.

4. Use Logos to understand the concepts behind spiritual intelligence and it's use. How does it fit into the various subtopics in theology as Logos theological ontology describes them?

5.. Now look for recent position papers by the Unitarian Universalist - recent being after 1997 when the concept of spiritual intelligence was first named. Logos does not try to maintain current position papers so you'll have to go back to the initial web site.

6. Now apply reason to the data you have collected ... what denominations are most likely to have written position on spiritual intelligence? Does that list include Unitarian Universalists? It so, why? If not, why not?

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Calvin Habig | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 20 2021 7:24 PM

(Thank you MJ for MAKING the UU question a Logos question.  Well played!)

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 21 2021 5:02 AM

Excellent answer MJ thanks, this is what I am talking about, get enough information to leverage L9 (tools, products, etc.)

from another post I wrote:

Then we have the term discussing, to me is different from mentioning something for further research. Discussing is actually engaging in giving arguments to prove a point, which is very different from mentioning some issues that may aid in better search using Logos (tools), getting better resources (products), promoting critical thinking (for edification), etc.

From the guidelines we can tell that intent is as important as object. If a person is trying to help persons leverage their L9, how can that be guideline violation?

Underlying question: how can key issues in certain topics  be made explicit for further research, finding of relevant resources, etc. without causing polemics, nor violating guidelines?

 I am not here to say that my accepted theological / practical ministry constructs are better, but to  allow others to speak their mind and discover new angles through their particular faith journey's experiences for edification and enlargement of conceptual framework, big difference.

Peace and grace.

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 21 2021 5:09 AM

David Thomas:
Not a LOGOS question!

How can one judge the usefulness / accuracy of a Logos offered resource if one does not have background information about official beliefs in a particular group one has no knowledge about?

If someone knows trusted sources that one can explore, then one can for oneself decide which logos products are more useful to explore certain particular topics uncovered by the background information.

Some others may have no interest at all to explore other traditions, but some do want to check all and retain what is good. 

Is not that allowed by Logos offering packages for different traditions?

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 21 2021 5:13 AM

David Thomas:
Also NOT a Logos question

Logos has resources about spiritual intelligence.

Logos has resources about UU.

I am not a professional researcher, but MJ kindly pointed a way to do own analysis (advanced in my view) to leverage L9 for studies, exploration and understanding.

Part of that is why MJ is so loved, she has patience and understands that we are not all at high level performance, and kindly shows ways to up the skills of users.

That is invaluable in my view, and part of the reason why I participate in the forums, not to cause polemics or make people uncomfortable, but to discover new exploration venues available for the use of Logos software.

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