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Adam Borries (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 8:32 AM

Good morning, David. Yes, the Faithlife Assistant group is a public group anyone can join. This group will also grant a temporary license for Faithlife Assistant during the beta period for 7.10. On Oct 16, 2017, Faithlife Assistant will require Logos Now membership.

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J David Shuttleworth | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 8:37 AM

Thank you Adam,

I clicked the link and found the group, however I did not see where I can join. I am currently a follower. 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 9:27 AM

PL:

I tried the following queries but in all cases got back the default "I didn't understand that" response. Each of these queries would have yielded meaningful results on plain ol' Google:

I'd give pretty good odds there's several on the forum that have built 'natural' english interfaces through the years. All the way back to the 80s, and Mr Job's Apple II with assembly language.

They're kind of funny, since they tend to be robotic ... the user has to learn the robot's english.  To get beyond robot english, there's quite a bit of training, combining coding, and machine learning. Specialty languages are the worst ... medicine and religion.

I only note this, observing Faithlife's 'touch and go' product development cycle.  And of course, the Cars.


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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 12:57 PM

J David Shuttleworth:

Thank you Adam,

I clicked the link and found the group, however I did not see where I can join. I am currently a follower. 

Same here

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 1:06 PM

Kevin A. Purcell:

J David Shuttleworth:

Thank you Adam,

I clicked the link and found the group, however I did not see where I can join. I am currently a follower. 

Same here

That's correct. After you select Follow, you should have access to FA (Ctrl+Space, Tools=>Utilities=>Faithlife Assistant). Is that not happening?

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 1:27 PM

Just took awhile. I shut down and restarted a couple of tines and wasn't there but just relaunched after awhile and its there.

The voice feature isn't working for me. 

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 1:53 PM

Kevin A. Purcell:
The voice feature isn't working for me. 

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/148266/921354.aspx#921354 

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 2:01 PM

In bible searches default range is your last executed search. Default should be entire bible.

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 2:38 PM

PL:
Back to FL Assistant... the current initial implementation seems to be an early natural language replacement for Everything Search ("tell me about x..." and it opens the Factbook) and some functions of the Command Box.

If you haven't found it already, a lot more functions can be found by reading everything in the forum mentioned in the OP. I don't see any one place where everything is listed.

PL:
- what verses promise eternal life?

what is eternal life? / tell me about eternal life. => Opens Factbook

PL:
- what verses promise eternal security?

Seems a lot of theological terms are not recognized

PL:

- where did Jesus speak to disciples?

where did Jesus speak to disciples about love?

where did Jesus speak to disciples about suffering?

Where in the bible? or Where geographically? Stick out tongue The form in the OP might help you to explain your expectations to FL especially if you can give an equivalent search or operation that produces the results that you want. Although, the form is cumbersome and it doesn't let me go back to change when I type up something stupid or incomplete.

Here is a small example of some notes I've been taking to show where it's useful to list variations on the query and the exact result expected. They won't know what we need if we don't spell it out. Smile Actually, I don't know if half what I'm scratching down will be useful, but I'll through them out there.

<Event The Flood>
When was the flood

<Event Paul writes to Timothy> (???)
FACTBOOK: First Epistle to Timothy
When did Paul write 1 Timothy

FACTBOOK: First Epistle to Timothy
Tell me about the book of 1 Timothy
Tell me about the Epistle to Timothy

{Label Bible Outline WHERE Reference ~ <Galations>}
Find Outline on Galations
Show me an outline on Galations

{Label Journal Article WHERE Topics ~ <Topic Grace>}
Find Article on Grace
Find Journal Article about Grace

{Label Journal Article WHERE Author ~ "D. A. Carson"}
Find Articles by D. A. Carson

HELP TOPIC: Searchable Labels
How do I search my labels

HELP TOPIC: Bible Browser
What is Bible Browser
how do i use bible browser

PL:
I hope some day this feature will be developed to a point that no one needs to remember the cryptic search syntax in Logos (just like very few people need to learn and use AND OR NOT operators or wildcard characters that were a staple of the early Internet search engines).

It's hard to imagine that ever happening. Speaking is far too imprecise. Writing is too imprecise. Searching is purely mathematical, formal and structured. Simple things like above examples can be greatly simplified by FA and Bible Browser, etc. But I can't imagine that we'll ever get away from a formal search syntax of some form (the current linear or structured tree diagrams of some type)

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 2:39 PM

How do you set the daily reading from a devotional? Getting error message from daily reading. Have reading plan set for daily reading from Streams in the Desert.

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Robert M. Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 2:41 PM

Kevin A. Purcell:
The voice feature isn't working for me.

This is what I'm guessing:  The 7.10 beta isn't necessary to use FA, since I'm on 7.9 and have access to it (I'm in the beta, but can't get 7.10 yet). But I don't see a microphone icon, so apparently that requires 7.10.

Win7 Android 4.4.2

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Adam Borries (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 4:00 PM

Robert M. Warren:

Kevin A. Purcell:
The voice feature isn't working for me.

This is what I'm guessing:  The 7.10 beta isn't necessary to use FA, since I'm on 7.9 and have access to it (I'm in the beta, but can't get 7.10 yet). But I don't see a microphone icon, so apparently that requires 7.10.

You got it, Robert. The microphone/speech-to-text feature requires 7.10.

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Adam Borries (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 4:13 PM

Beloved:

How do you set the daily reading from a devotional? Getting error message from daily reading. 

It depends a bit on whether you mean a devotional resource (resource type:Calendar Devotional), or a reading plan you have created. 

You should be able to get today's reading from a devotional with a question like "What is today's devotion?" This will open your top-prioritized devotional resource to today's date. 

Or, you can open your most recent reading plan (mostly commonly for reading the Bible) with "read today's reading," or a variation. 

If you have a set up a reading plan document on a devotional resource (for example, if you want to read it on a schedule other than today's date), I'm not sure what it would do. Smile If you are getting an error, please report it through the feedback form here: https://goo.gl/forms/NnIO7Hj7IZeDmjhc2

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 4:13 PM

Thanks for your reply, Randy. The tool is still very immature and probably will never reach the level of expectation I have for it... but still a good start.

My rationale is that for anyone who spends some time with the program, we don't really need help opening the Factbook or the Sermon Starter. We could have done that ourselves and don't really need an alternative way to find and open those tools.

I believe it's the incredibly complex and arbitrary-looking search syntax that stumps most users, even long-time users. I was hoping this tool will finally allow for an alternative way to access those complex tagging without having to memorize search syntax like a programmer, by using natural language searches. If that's not the direction and one of the main goals of this tool and this project, I'd be immensely disappointed and think this is a missed opportunity.

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 4:18 PM

Input: Does Mark 16:9-20 belong in the Bible?

Response: I didn’t understand that. Would you like to search for “Does Mark 16:9-20 belong in the Bible?”?

Eventually I would think that questions like this should be able to open the Exegetical Guide, textual commentaries, relevant dictionary articles, etc. Would be great the assistant understood questions about textual criticism.

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 13 2017 4:43 PM

PL:
I believe it's the incredibly complex and arbitrary-looking search syntax that stumps most users, even long-time users. I was hoping this tool will finally allow for an alternative way to access those complex tagging without having to memorize search syntax like a programmer, by using natural language searches

PL: this is exactly what I want.

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 14 2017 5:49 AM

At least for testing but probably as handy feature overall, it would be immensely helpful to have command history, like using the up/down arrow to cycle through commands in a shell/command prompt. At least to recall the previous command.

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 14 2017 6:43 AM

Not quite sure how to fit this in the form. 

If this is going to make it's way to mobile, well, even on desktop or mobile PC, it would be great to take down some jots, some temporary prayers, notes, etc., that can be sorted and moved about later. It would be much preferable to put them in the document you want them in at the time of creation, but I can imagine that being a huge hassle to implement. That's why I've made this recommendation to use a temp Jot document that everything goes into. Note that this doesn't need to open the document, just put the item in it.

> Add a prayer

< What would you like to pray about?

> [Pray for] the victims of the hurricanes.

< I've added that prayer to your Prayer Jot

---

> Take a note

< I'm ready to begin

> blah blah blah

< I've added that note to your Note Jot.

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Philana R. Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 14 2017 10:58 AM

Beloved:

In bible searches default range is your last executed search. Default should be entire bible.

Beloved,

This follows the same behavior that opening a search panel does. The search panel opens with your last used settings.

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 14 2017 11:43 AM

Philana R. Crouch:

Beloved:

In bible searches default range is your last executed search. Default should be entire bible.

Beloved,

This follows the same behavior that opening a search panel does. The search panel opens with your last used settings.

I very strongly disagree with that behavior. It may take some reworking of the the app to allow it, but for the assistant (Zap ?) to produce a search which can never ever work or not work as expected is going to draw complaints. Esp if new users are using the assistant to learn, and it seems likely that this particular type of query this will be used most by new users. Please, reevaluate this.

See Also,

  • My mention of the same 0 result, impossible search earlier in this thread: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/148254/921296.aspx#921296
  • The feedback form (https://goo.gl/Y7m2qb)  where a similar problem is encountered with pronunciation: Asking for a pronunciation simply opens the Pronunciation Tool, nothing entered in the filter, Default language selected. Respectfully, this, like the searches, are a useless feature, asking for complaints. It should behave better or not be an option at all. IE. Allow, "Show pronunciation tool" but not "How do you pronounce xxx?".

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