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Marshall Harrison | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Dec 5 2017 5:16 AM

Where in Logos can I find the text for The Panarion?

If I search my books I get a dictionary like description and a couple of topic based extracts found in The Post-Nicene Greek Fathers.

If I search for it on the Logs website it doesn't get any hits.

So does Logos contain the actual text? In English or Greek?

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 5 2017 5:28 AM

Marshall Harrison:
Where in Logos can I find the text for The Panarion?

My search locates it in the Old Testament Greek Pseudepigrapha with Morphology. There is a Fragment 3 in the Old Testament Pseudepigrapha Vol1.

Edit: The full text does not appear to be found in Logos, but, several fragments or sections are available below is an example excuse its appearance

EPIPHANIUS,  PANARION  26.13.228
228   καὶ   οὕτως   ἐστὶ   τὰ   ληρώδη   αὐτῶν   καὶ   μυθώδη ὡς   καὶ   περὶ   τοῦ  
C B VPAI3S DNPN JNPN RP3GPM C JNPN B B P DGSM
καί οὔτως εἰμί ληρώδης αὐτός καί μυθώδης ὡς καί περί
ἁγίου   Ἠλία   τολμῶσι   βλασφημεῖν   καὶ   λέγειν   ὅτι φησίν ὅτε   ἀνελήφθη
JGSM NGSM VPAI3P VPAN C VPAN C VPAI3S B VAPI3S
ἅγιος Ἠλίας τολμάω βλασφημέω καί λέγω ὅτι φημί ὅτε ἀναλαμβάνω
κατεβλήθη   πάλιν   εἰς   τὸν   κόσμον ἦλθεν   γάρ φησίν μία   δαίμων   καὶ  
VAPI3S B P DASM NASM VAAI3S C VPAI3S JNSF NNSF C
καταβάλλω πάλιν εἰς κόσμος ἔρχομαι γάρ φημί εἷς δαίμων καί
ἐκράτησε   καὶ   εἶπεν   αὐτῷ   ὅτι   ποῦ   πορεύῃ ἔχω   γὰρ   τέκνα   ἀπὸ   σοῦ
VAAI3S C VAAI3S RP3DSM C B VPUI2S VPAI1S C NAPN P RP2GS
κρατέω καί εἶπον, λέγω αὐτός ὅτι ποῦ πορεύομαι ἔχω γάρ τέκνον ἀπό σύ
καὶ   οὐ   δύνασαι   ἀνελθεῖν   καὶ   ὧδε   ἀφεῖναι   τὰ   τέκνα   σου καί φησίν
C B VPUI2S VAAN C B VAPN DAPN NAPN RP2GS C VPAI3S
καί οὐ δύναμαι ἀνέρχομαι καί ὧδε ἀφίημι τέκνον σύ καί φημί
λέγει ·  πόθεν   ἔχεις   τέκνα   ἀπʼ   ἐμοῦ   καὶ   ἐγὼ   ἤμην   ἐν   ἁγνείᾳ λέγει φησίν
VPAI3S B VPAI2S NAPN P RP1GS C RP1NS VIUI1S P NDSF VPAI3S VPAI3S
λέγω πόθεν ἔχω τέκνον ἀπό ἐγώ καί ἐγώ εἰμί ἐν ἁγνεία λέγω φημί
·  ναί ὅτε   ἐνυπνίοις   ἐνυπνιαζόμενος   πολλάκις   ἐν   τῇ   ἀπορροίᾳ   τῶν  
T B NDPN VPUP-SNM B P DDSF NDSF DGPN
ναί ὅτε ἐνύπνιον ἐνυπνιάζω πολλάκις ἐν ἀπόρροια
σωμάτων   ἐκενώθης ἐγὼ   ἤμην     μεταλαβοῦσα   ἀπὸ   σοῦ   τὰ  
NGPN VAPI2S RP1NS VIUI1S DNSF VAAP-SNF P RP2GS DAPN
σῶμα κενόω ἐγώ εἰμί μεταλαμβάνω ἀπό σύ
σπέρματα   καὶ   γεννῶσα   σοι   υἱούς πολλὴ   δὲ   μωρία   τῶν   τὰ   τοιαῦτα  
NAPN C VPAP-SNF RP2DS NAPM JNSF C NNSF DGPM DAPN JAPN
σπέρμα καί γεννάω σύ υἱός πολύς δέ μωρία τοιοῦτος
λεγόντων  
VPAP-PGM
λέγω
 
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30   […]λωσσων   […]ματα   μερι[  … ] .  α ·  ἐκεῖ   μεν[  … ].  ς   διὰ   τον[  …  ]αι […]οστα  
X X X X B T X P X X X
X X X α ἐκεῖ μέν ς διά τον αι οστα
31   ποιμένας   τοῦ   λ[αοῦ ἐπερωτήσει   αὐτοὺς   διὰ]   τὴν   νομὴν   τ[ῶν   προβάτων  
NAPM DGSM NGSM VFAI3S RP3APM P DASF NASF DGPN NGPN
ποιμήν λαός ἐπερωτάω αὐτός διά νομή πρόβατον
καὶ   παραδοθήσονται]   ἄνευ   δόλου · 
C VFPI3P P NGSM
καί παραδίδωμι ἄνευ δόλος
32   μ[ετὰ   δὲ   ταῦτα   καταβήσονται]     τε   ἡλείας   κ[αὶ   ἑνωχ ἀποθήσονται  
P C RD-APN VFMI3P DNSM T NNSM C XP VFMI3P
μετά δέ οὗτος καταβαίνω τέ Ἠλίας καί Ἑνώχ ἀποτίθημι
τὴν   σάρκα   τοῦ   κόσμ[ο]υ   [καὶ   περιβαλοῦνται   τὴν   σάρκα   π--ν--σ--  
DASF NASF DGSM NGSM C VFMI3P DASF NASF X
σάρξ κόσμος καί περιβάλλω σάρξ X
καταδιώ[ξουσιν   τὸν   υἱὸν   τῆς   ἀνομίας
VFAI3P DASM NASM DGSF NGSF
καταδιώκω υἱός ἀνομία
 

Penner, K., & Heiser, M. S. (2008). Old Testament Greek pseudepigrapha with morphology. Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press.

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

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Marshall Harrison | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 5 2017 5:41 AM

Beloved:

Marshall Harrison:
Where in Logos can I find the text for The Panarion?

My search locates it in the Old Testament Greek Pseudepigrapha with Morphology. There is a Fragment 3 in the Old Testament Pseudepigrapha Vol1.

Thanks Beloved.

When I search for "Old Testament Greek Pseudepigrapha" on the Logos website I get the resource you mention but when I drill down I don't see the Panarion listed nor any mention of Epiphanius. - https://www.logos.com/product/5767/old-testament-greek-pseudepigrapha-with-morphology

How am I supposed to know this stuff?

2700 resources in my Library and I can't even find one simple text. I can understand it not being in my library as I can't have everything. But I should at least be able to find out where to get it without resulting to asking on the forum and bothering everyone with my questions.

Am I asking too much of Logos?

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 5 2017 5:59 AM

Marshall Harrison:
Am I asking too much of Logos?

Yes, but first see my edit above. I looked this up on AMZN and the paperback vols1, 2&3 will set you back roughly $120. If you don't mind me asking, what biblically does this shed light on? I'm thinking this would be a hard sell on Suggest Books.

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 5 2017 6:07 AM

Finding books within books is something many of have wanted to see improved for a long time:

https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/1402517-better-control-of-multi-book-volumes-works

Logos could be more helpful in listing books contained in mult-book works, though they'd need to be tagged in some way. Library software is supposed to be helpful in that way. Hopefully, we'll see it in the next major update of the Library.

The work around is the one Keep Smiling posted about in your other thread yesterday:

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/155069/940305.aspx#940305

As Beloved posted above, there doesn't seem to be a complete edition only fragments. According to Wikipedia:

The first English translation of the entire Panarion was published in 1987 (Book I) and 1993 (Books II and III), by Frank Williams.

The first book is about $218 from Brill. http://www.brill.com/panarion-epiphanius-salamis-book-i 

EDIT: The fragments from The Post-Nicene Greek Fathers: https://ref.ly/logosres/pstncngrkfth?ref=Page.p+143&off=963 

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Marshall Harrison | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 5 2017 6:14 AM

Beloved:

Marshall Harrison:
Am I asking too much of Logos?

Yes, but first see my edit above. I looked this up on AMZN and the paperback vols1, 2&3 will set you back roughly $120. If you don't mind me asking, what biblically does this shed light on? I'm thinking this would be a hard sell on Suggest Books.

Probably nothing. Just my inquisitive mind doing its thing. I am reading on the early history of the church and the canon. I also saw a BBC documentary on the Nag Hammadi and so I started Googling some of the terms I came across. Found references to The Panarion refuting heresies. So being inquisitive I went looking for the text.

Within the last week, I have upgraded to Silver which contains the Post-Nicene Greek Fathers and Early Church Fathers, etc, and added the Nag Hammadi plus one or two other resources to support my area of interest. So I thought I should be able to locate the Panation text but I don't find it; hence my question.

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Marshall Harrison | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 5 2017 6:19 AM

Randy W. Sims:

Finding books within books is something many of have wanted to see improved for a long time:

https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/1402517-better-control-of-multi-book-volumes-works

Logos could be more helpful in listing books contained in mult-book works, though they'd need to be tagged in some way. Library software is supposed to be helpful in that way. Hopefully, we'll see it in the next major update of the Library.

The work around is the one Keep Smiling posted about in your other thread yesterday:

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/155069/940305.aspx#940305

As Beloved posted above, there doesn't seem to be a complete edition only fragments. According to Wikipedia:

The first English translation of the entire Panarion was published in 1987 (Book I) and 1993 (Books II and III), by Frank Williams.

The first book is about $218 from Brill. http://www.brill.com/panarion-epiphanius-salamis-book-i 

Thanks. I followed Keep Smiling's suggestion and that is how I got as far as I did. I also found the wikipedia reference you listed. Sounds like I started out going down the right track but just stumbled headfirst into a limitation of Logos.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 5 2017 4:16 PM

Marshall Harrison:
Thanks. I followed Keep Smiling's suggestion and that is how I got as far as I did. I also found the wikipedia reference you listed. Sounds like I started out going down the right track but just stumbled headfirst into a limitation of Logos.

Larger Library provides more opportunity to find articles (albeit wallet cries Crying more). Asking on forum allows other(s) to search:

Panarion => https://ref.ly/logos4/Search?kind=BasicSearch&q=Panarion&match=stem&in=raw%3aAll%7cTitle%3dAll%2520Resources

Found some Panarion fragments.

Keep Smiling Smile

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Marshall Harrison | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 5 2017 6:36 PM

Thanks Keep Smiling.

The Old Testament Greek Pseudepigrapha with Morphology is $99 which I don't have at the moment.

When I searched the Logos website for "Old Testament Greek Pseud" it returned just two results:

Early Church Fathers Protestant Edition (37 vols.) which I already had and the Early Church Fathers Special Catholic Edition (27 vols.) which had a price of $0.00 a 100% savings of the $165.99. So I purchased the Catholic version. Not sure if that is normal or why it was $0 but I jumped on it and added another 37 resources to my total resources.

Supposedly there is no difference in the text between the two packages but since it was free I purchased it anyway. The other resources will have to wait.

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Gary Shogren | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 14 2018 11:53 AM

Agreed with regard to the Panarion. This is the first translation into any modern language, and of extraordinary benefit for the student of the NT and patristics.

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