Is the Ancient Christian Commmentary (ACCS) worth $170?

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Chi Shun Cheung | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Mar 15 2018 10:14 AM

Hey All,

I am considering buying the ACCS during March Madness. Has it ever been lower than $170?

Is the ACCS worth it?

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2018 10:47 AM

I can't give a definitive answer to your question as to whether it has ever been offered at a lower price. My set was included when I purchased L7 Portfolio back in 2016 so it was not individually priced.

As far as it's value it very much depends on how you value the early church fathers' perspective on Scripture. If you think that is important this is a must-have resource as it clearly lays out in summary for what they said about passages of Scripture. Below is a sample of Genesis 1:1. As you can see, the verse is given at first followed by a summary phrase for the church father and then their actual quote and the specific reference.

Personally I've not used it a lot to date but, when I want an ancient perspective, this is a pretty invaluable resource.

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David A Egolf | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2018 11:26 AM

In another thread, I pointed out that one of my best friends had acquired this series during the original publication in print form.  He paid over $1,000 for the set. He considers it one of the jewels of his library.  Even though, since he is retired, he is on a tight budget, he is considering taking advantage of this sale in order to have it in his Logos library.  I will probably buy it, myself.

The series was built by gleaning scripture references out of the writings of the Apostolic Fathers.  The references were aggregated in Biblical order.  Thus, when you visit Dt 2, you get what was said by various Apostolic Fathers on that particular chapter, but all in one place.  Naturally, most of the citations will be from a different viewpoint.  Thus, it is like having lots of early commentators expositing on the verse, or chapter, under consideration.

An interesting side note is that the general editor, Thomas Oden, wrote that he had come from a denominational background with a "low" view of Scripture (my words).  He said that being involved in this project had convinced him that there was much less division in the early Christian view of Scripture than he had been led to believe.  It has greatly bolstered his confidence in the Bible that we hold in our hands.

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2018 11:26 AM

Bruce Dunning:

Personally I've not used it a lot to date but, when I want an ancient perspective, this is a pretty invaluable resource.

Exactly my experience as well.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2018 11:30 AM

Chi Shun Cheung:
Is the ACCS worth it?

Again I am not using it a lot but I find it very useful. It gives you directly or sometimes indirectly (perhaps the more valuable part) what the fathers said on a section of scripture or related topic. It is highly readable and a great jumping off point to diving into the church fathers to get more information. I think the price is very fair and know I wouldn't be able to use the fathers nearly effectively if I was having to mine the information with no help. If I did not own it I would snap it up, but I value the fathers and what they have to teach us.

-dan

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2018 3:52 PM

Chi Shun Cheung:
Has it ever been lower than $170?

Not to my knowledge.

Chi Shun Cheung:
Is the ACCS worth it?

In my opinion, yes.

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Jonathan Bradley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2018 3:55 PM

I love it. I use it in all areas, from personal devotions to sermon prep. It's not always the first go-to commentary I use, however, I almost always use it. 

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2018 4:09 PM

I'm wondering if there is material in ACCS that is not found in either of the series below.  Has anyone done any comparisons?  Or other comments on the value of ACCS if someone owns the resources below?

https://www.logos.com/product/33665/fathers-of-the-church-series

https://www.logos.com/product/40940/ancient-christian-writers-bundle

https://www.logos.com/product/7832/early-church-fathers-special-catholic-edition

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2018 4:13 PM

Chi Shun Cheung:

Hey All,

I am considering buying the ACCS during March Madness. Has it ever been lower than $170?

Is the ACCS worth it?

Check your upgrade price, you might be able to get it cheaper.

DAL

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2018 4:15 PM

Steve:
I'm wondering if there is material in ACCS that is not found in either of the series below.  Has anyone done any comparisons?

The series does draw from numerous translations outside of those three sets. They also will adapt highly outdated translations (and tell you when they do).

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2018 5:06 PM

I think calling ACCS a commentary is a misnomer. It's more a snippet-ary, arranged by verse. It's what you'd do, if you didn't have the Logos CitedBy tool.

And as SineNomine noted, it's more expansive. Sometimes a lesser known auther will only show up in ACCS.

I have both (ACCS and the Fathers). Side-by-side in my layout. I'm on the protest-ant side of the house, but want to see what words or phrases early writers used, and possibly why.

Is $170 lowest. Just my poor memory, but I think I've seen it maybe $20-25 lower? Is that worth the risk?

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EastTN | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2018 6:08 PM

I would echo many of the comments here.  It isn't what I typically think of as a commentary, in that it doesn't provide a unified exposition Scripture.  But, it provides a quick and convenient summary of Patristic thought on a passage. For someone who didn't grow up reading the Fathers, I've found it to be a very valuable jumping off point into their world. (And having some of the other resources that have been mentioned lets me dig deeper, but it's nice not having to survey the ancient views on my own.)

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SteveHD | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2018 6:48 PM

I noticed that I can upgrade to Gold Standard which would get ACCS + a couple Mobile Ed courses, Works of Philo (22 vols.) and Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary (6 vols.) for about 330.00. So do check on that depending on how much of it you already own. Well I think the discount for MM adds to the package discount though it has been a while since I checked my upgrade price for Gold Standard.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2018 7:14 PM

I have not found ACCS to be worth owning. One of the problems with it is that unless you know a lot about the so-called church fathers, you don't know exactly where the person whose snippet is quoted is coming from and you don't have the context of the quotation. That, for me, is a big weakness.

The volumes are quite uneven as they were compiled by different scholars. Some are just plain poor IMO. Others are better.

For the gospels, Catena Aurea does a better job. I cannot say it is as broad as ACCS, but I find the selections to be more helpful.

We have in Logos something called the Ancient Literature section of the Passage Guide. We didn't have that when ACCS was published in Logos format. I rely on that when I am looking for something from the "church fathers".

My suggestion is to save your money.

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Mike Tourangeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2018 8:57 PM

I have it but don't use it very much. You might want to check out this thread https://community.logos.com/forums/t/160835.aspx as you may find what you are interested in with the built in tools you already have???

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Charlene | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2018 11:09 PM

SteveHD:
I noticed that I can upgrade to Gold Standard which would get ACCS + a couple Mobile Ed courses, Works of Philo (22 vols.) and Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary (6 vols.) for about 330.00. So do check on that depending on how much of it you already own. Well I think the discount for MM adds to the package discount though it has been a while since I checked my upgrade price for Gold Standard.

Hi Steve,

When I read your post, I thought maybe I should check that out, to see if that would be a possibility. BUT when I did, there was only 1 book from ACCS, an intro and biographical book, but not the series. Are you sure you would get the entire set?

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Chi Shun Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 15 2018 11:46 PM

Thanks everyone for your input. Your comments were very helpful!

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John Stark | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 16 2018 12:11 PM

Charlene:
When I read your post, I thought maybe I should check that out, to see if that would be a possibility. BUT when I did, there was only 1 book from ACCS, an intro and biographical book, but not the series. Are you sure you would get the entire set?

Greetings.

I had the same question yesterday about ACCS and some of the other commentary resources (Pillar, Tyndale, etc.) in the Gold package after getting a notification previously that stuff in my wish list was on sale. I called and spoke to a resource specialist yesterday about it, and he explained that the Logos website has it wrong, that the entire ACCS is included in the Gold package. The Pillar, Tyndale and one other are missing only a few volumes which were only added after those series had already been priced into Gold, but there was a discount on the few missing volumes for those commentary sets to round them out for completeness.

Apparently the base packages that show resources "only contain certain volumes of this set" are not correct, and that usually those sets are either complete or maybe missing 1-3 volumes.

I opted to upgrade to Gold, and probably would have bought in at the Gold level in the first place if I'd known that those commentary sets were (mostly) included as complete sets.

Regards.

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Charlene | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 16 2018 1:45 PM

John Stark:

I had the same question yesterday about ACCS and some of the other commentary resources (Pillar, Tyndale, etc.) in the Gold package after getting a notification previously that stuff in my wish list was on sale. I called and spoke to a resource specialist yesterday about it, and he explained that the Logos website has it wrong, that the entire ACCS is included in the Gold package. The Pillar, Tyndale and one other are missing only a few volumes which were only added after those series had already been priced into Gold, but there was a discount on the few missing volumes for those commentary sets to round them out for completeness.

Apparently the base packages that show resources "only contain certain volumes of this set" are not correct, and that usually those sets are either complete or maybe missing 1-3 volumes.

That's good to know.

Do you have any information on the following commentaries that ARE listed under Gold on the website? When I tried to find out more information, nothing could be found concerning them. So, I don't know who the author is, or what set each is a part of, etc. No detail is given and there is no hyperlink to go to. Not very helpful, I'm afraid.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 16 2018 2:32 PM

Charlene this first set of commentaries is the ACCS.

https://www.logos.com/product/31152/ancient-christian-commentary-on-scripture-complete-set-updated-edition 

The second lot is the Bible Speaks today Series:

https://www.logos.com/product/8587/the-bible-speaks-today-new-testament 

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