Program Scaling just in time

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Dewayne Davis | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, May 3 2010 7:44 PM

I am glad to see the program scaling this alpha. I am having to part with my 17" hi-res display Macbook Pro as a first step toward getting out of debt. I am now using a 13" and the menus and scroll bars take up so much room. But at 80 percent I have much more text and less of the rest. Things have moved ahead enough now that I haven't opened parallels in a week except to pay bills. I am beginning to become excited with the progress. Thanks all.

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Ethan Knudson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 10:17 PM

I am also extremely thankful for this feature. I have the same space issue on a 13" MacBook and this allows me to have more books up at once, which is awesome. One thing I am wondering though is if the final product will continue to scale down the menu bar with the L4 window.

Also, for any mac gurus in here, is there a way to scale down everything on my mac? Just curious :)

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 3 2010 11:58 PM

ethanknudson@gmail.com:

I am also extremely thankful for this feature. I have the same space issue on a 13" MacBook and this allows me to have more books up at once, which is awesome. One thing I am wondering though is if the final product will continue to scale down the menu bar with the L4 window.

Also, for any mac gurus in here, is there a way to scale down everything on my mac? Just curious :)

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2010 12:32 AM

The 13in MacBook is a great portable. To make it a great desktop scrounge an old monitor - plug it in and detect displays.

A great way to change your life.

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RichB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2010 7:35 AM

Yes, this is a welcome addition to the program! However, I will have to point out that scaling to 80% and 90% also shrinks my menu bar at the top, causing the other icons I have up there to hang over the edge, so to speak, with the main program window unable to reach the very bottom of the menubar. Quite not the effect I wanted! So hopefully in future releases this can be addressed. (When I do switch to another program, however, the menubar resumes its normal size, allowing the icons to be normally placed again). Keep up the great work!

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Dewayne Davis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2010 8:01 AM

RichB:

Yes, this is a welcome addition to the program! However, I will have to point out that scaling to 80% and 90% also shrinks my menu bar at the top, causing the other icons I have up there to hang over the edge, so to speak, with the main program window unable to reach the very bottom of the menubar. Quite not the effect I wanted! So hopefully in future releases this can be addressed. (When I do switch to another program, however, the menubar resumes its normal size, allowing the icons to be normally placed again). Keep up the great work!

Rich

Even when you use Terminal to adjust system wide scaling, the icons are a problem.

It does appear that the Logos 4 Mac implementation looks better than when done through Terminal. At lease the graphics appear clearer than Firefox, Entourage, etc... But I haven't spent a great deal of time comparing. That was just my first impression...

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RichB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2010 8:20 AM

Dewayne Davis:
Even when you use Terminal to adjust system wide scaling, the icons are a problem.

Thanks! Guess it's more of a system-wide issue, not a Logos4 issue. To set the record straight - I was able to move the entire program window flush against the menu bar by dragging it, not by using the green maximize button.

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Tom Philpot (Logos) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2010 8:39 AM

ethanknudson@gmail.com:
Also, for any mac gurus in here, is there a way to scale down everything on my mac? Just curious :)

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Dewayne Davis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2010 8:46 AM

RichB:

Dewayne Davis:
Even when you use Terminal to adjust system wide scaling, the icons are a problem.

Thanks! Guess it's more of a system-wide issue, not a Logos4 issue. To set the record straight - I was able to move the entire program window flush against the menu bar by dragging it, not by using the green maximize button.

Rich

I am sure you are aware of this, but the green plus sign is not a maximize button in OS X like in windows. It just zooms large enough to view the text. Hold the Option button down and it will zoom to full screen when you click it.

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David Mitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2010 9:08 AM

RichB:
I will have to point out that scaling to 80% and 90% also shrinks my menu bar at the top, causing the other icons I have up there to hang over the edge, so to speak, with the main program window unable to reach the very bottom of the menubar. Quite not the effect I wanted! So hopefully in future releases this can be addressed.

Unfortunately, this behavior is caused by OS X, and it isn't really something we can work around. Due to this, and a couple of other bugs in Cocoa and OS X, Program Scaling will likely be going away in a future release (in fact, we meant to remove it from Alpha 19, but it slipped through…).

If you still really want program scaling, and you don't mind dealing with the occasional visual artifact or odd tracking area, you will still be able to manually set it by following the instructions that Tom linked to.

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RichB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2010 10:23 AM

David Mitchell:
If you still really want program scaling, and you don't mind dealing with the occasional visual artifact or odd tracking area, you will still be able to manually set it by following the instructions that Tom linked to.

Actually, having played with it for a day, I found myself making the font bigger for some of the books. End result? Scaled back to 100%. Smile It was a fun feature to play around with, though. Thanks for the info!

Rich

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RichB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2010 10:28 AM

Dewayne Davis:
I am sure you are aware of this, but the green plus sign is not a maximize button in OS X like in windows. It just zooms large enough to view the text. Hold the Option button down and it will zoom to full screen when you click it.

I tried this out on a couple programs, all with various behaviors. For example, Safari doesn't go full screen no matter what you do. A brief internet search brought this up:

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-10464060-263.html

Apparently, the green button's behavior is not standard! The comments to that article were very interesting. Anyway, I'll stop there so as not to get too far off topic.Angel

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Stephen Ashton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2010 10:30 AM

It's convinced me that a bigger monitor would be better. I like the additional real estate that setting the scaling at 80% provides, but I don't like the visual effect of everything being shrunk down and the glitches with the menu bar.

... now I need to convince my wife ... Smile

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Tommy Ball | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2010 12:27 PM

I've got my 12" PowerBook plugged into a 21" Acer monitor at home. If you aren't a stickler about what the screen looks like and you have $150 or so it is worth the extra real-estate--especially if you prefer sitting at a desk when you do some real work. I usually don't have issues in regards to glitching, I just need to make sure I shrink everything down to size before I unplug the monitor.


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Dewayne Davis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2010 12:58 PM

Tommy Ball:

I've got my 12" PowerBook plugged into a 21" Acer monitor at home. If you aren't a stickler about what the screen looks like and you have $150 or so it is worth the extra real-estate--especially if you prefer sitting at a desk when you do some real work. I usually don't have issues in regards to glitching, I just need to make sure I shrink everything down to size before I unplug the monitor.

I had the privilege of seeing Logos work on an iPad. If the upcoming 'reading view' is anything like it is on the iPad with the two page view, I think it will be less of an issue than it is now. After all, you can only read one book at a time anyway.

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Stephen Ashton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2010 1:27 PM

Tommy Ball:
If you aren't a stickler about what the screen looks like

Trouble is, I would like one of these: http://www.apple.com/displays/ Cool

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Stephen Ashton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2010 1:30 PM

Dewayne Davis:
After all, you can only read one book at a time anyway.

Yes, you can only read one book at a time, but (as I'm sure you know) Bible study involves comparison of passages, examination of words, etc. Screen real estate helps. 

(I admit it, I'm rehearsing my case here!)

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meitnik | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2010 1:50 PM

I kinda figured that was going to happen. Plan B? Back to supporting font sizes per language of font (ie Hebrew 24 pt, Greek 18, etc...) please. Or have proportions based on font scaling too per language.  Each font x-height is different as per language too. Hebrew was never meant to fit the Latinate letter forms.

Please ponder a solution. Thank you.

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Michael Kares | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 4 2010 1:59 PM

Question: Has anyone filed this visual bug with Apple so they can fix it?

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