Creating a New Series of Commentaries

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Shannon L. Newsome | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Mar 26 2018 2:14 PM

Is there a way to create a series of commentaries using volumes from different sets WITHOUT having to edit the series title and losing that original information?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 26 2018 2:16 PM

Shannon Newsome:

Is there a way to create a series of commentaries using volumes from different sets WITHOUT having to edit the series title and losing that original information?

Not to the best of my knowledge - a resource can only be in one series at a time.

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Shannon L. Newsome | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 26 2018 2:20 PM

Thanks - that's what I was afraid of. I'd love to put together a "super set" but don't want to change the data.

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Bill Carroll | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 26 2018 2:44 PM

But can't you create a "collection" (give it your own name) and add a single volume from a commentary series (from multiple commentary sets) to 'create your own' personal set?  I thought I read that just a few days ago here on the forums. I haven't tried it myself yet.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 26 2018 3:05 PM

Bill Carroll:

But can't you create a "collection" (give it your own name) and add a single volume from a commentary series (from multiple commentary sets) to 'create your own' personal set?  I thought I read that just a few days ago here on the forums. I haven't tried it myself yet.

Yes you can. But it doesn’t provide the Series functionality of opening a new book in the series to match the new reference selected in a linked resource.

So if, for example, you have a NAC commentary open and linked to a Bible, moving to a different biblical book will cause th corresponding NAC commentary to open. This isn’t a feature of collections but is of series 

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 26 2018 3:10 PM

Bill Carroll:

But can't you create a "collection" (give it your own name) and add a single volume from a commentary series (from multiple commentary sets) to 'create your own' personal set?  I thought I read that just a few days ago here on the forums. I haven't tried it myself yet.

If I can piggyback on Bill's......I have no collections whatsoever.  Could I create a collection containing:  Romans BECNT, Romans Pillar, TH200 Logos Mobile, and Who's Who in Christian History.....just as a pretend crazy example?

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 26 2018 3:21 PM

Graham Criddle:

Shannon Newsome:

Is there a way to create a series of commentaries using volumes from different sets WITHOUT having to edit the series title and losing that original information?

Not to the best of my knowledge - a resource can only be in one series at a time.

Customized Titles and Series have original value out of view. Deleting customized title OR series followed by pressing enter restores original value.

Personally added series abbreviation in title prefix, which allows me to filter library for original series that has volumes in custom Top 2. After March Madness 2018, now have 56 NICOT OR NICNT volumes with 36 of them in custom Top 2 series:

Screen shot shows library sorted by Type then series with filter for NICOT OR NICNT

FYI: my Top 2 titles have "=" instead of ":" so can identify Top 2 in open tabs (and Bible Explorer, Passage Guide, ...).

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 26 2018 3:25 PM

scooter:

Bill Carroll:

But can't you create a "collection" (give it your own name) and add a single volume from a commentary series (from multiple commentary sets) to 'create your own' personal set?  I thought I read that just a few days ago here on the forums. I haven't tried it myself yet.

If I can piggyback on Bill's......I have no collections whatsoever.  Could I create a collection containing:  Romans BECNT, Romans Pillar, TH200 Logos Mobile, and Who's Who in Christian History.....just as a pretend crazy example?

One way to create a collection is adding a Tag to desired resources.

Caveat: collection cannot be prioritized while series OR individual volumes can be. One option is tagging Top Commentary volumes, filtering library by tag, then prioritize individual Top 2 volumes (allows volume to keep original series while prioritizing Top 2 mix of volumes for desired books).

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 26 2018 3:56 PM

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One way to create a collection is adding a Tag to desired resources.

Caveat: collection cannot be prioritized while series OR individual volumes can be. One option is tagging Top Commentary volumes, filtering library by tag, then prioritize individual Top 2 volumes (allows volume to keep original series while prioritizing Top 2 mix of volumes for desired books).

Thanks, Keep !!

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Shannon L. Newsome | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 27 2018 5:07 AM

I'd like more information about your retitles, KS4J. Do you retitle the series, and the resource name, or is there more?

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Justin Gatlin | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 27 2018 7:03 AM

You can see the problem with being in 2 series. If I am in WBC on Numbers and go to Isaiah, should the software take me to Isaiah in  WBC (because it is the same series) or NICOT (because it is in my super series)? Logos has no way to resolve the ambiguity, without destroying the convenience you were looking for in the first place.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 27 2018 11:26 AM

Shannon Newsome:

I'd like more information about your retitles, KS4J. Do you retitle the series, and the resource name, or is there more?

Thread reply => https://community.logos.com/forums/p/139386/890581.aspx#890581 includes my initial Title and Abbreviated Title modification approach:

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Commentary Titles (with preference for shorter title to show in Passage Guide, Search Results, Tabs, ...)

  • ?< for Plagiarism Alert
  • #### for Year
  • Series OR Author
  • (Author) is optional, which is helpful for series with more than one author for commentary on a book
  • Separator is = for Top 2 and : for others
  • Bible Book(s)
  • Optional suffix

Abbreviated Title

  • Bible Book abbreviation(s)
  • Series abbreviation
  • #### Year is optional, which is helpful for series with more than one author for commentary on a book

Living and Learning while liking Title modifications, have modified my titling a bit:

Updated Title convention:

  • ?< for Plagiarism Alert
  • #### for Year
  • Initials: Series OR Author
  • (Author)
  • Separator is = for Top 2 (with * for Jewish) and : for others
  • Original Title
  • Optional suffix

FYI: optional suffix is typically year translated into English, which usually corresponds with publication date. (Author) can include list of Authors. Some commentary series known by primary author have a number of contributors.

Abbreviated Title update (since often appears in Tab due to original title + prefix being longish):

  • ?< for Plagiarism Alert
  • #### Year
  • Initials: Series OR Author
  • Bible Book abbreviation(s)

Likewise learned Library can be sorted by more than one level, which is helpful for title modification comparison. Screen shot shows work in progress to update Titles (for commentaries that are not in a Series):

Screen shot also shows MyTag customization from thread => Collection rules for sorting commentaries that has a number after Commentary to sort Historical groupings:

  • Commentary1Antiquity (0030-0500)
  • Commentary2Medieval (0501-1516)
  • Commentary3Reformation (1517-1729 plus includes some earlier works by Reformation authors)
  • Commentary4Awakenings (1730-1900)
  • Commentary5Modern (1901+)

Wikipedia article => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Great_Awakening has four date ranges for Awakening with last one overlapping various categories (so am using time span of first three for Awakenings grouping).

Thankful for Morris Proctor mentioning at Camp Logos about lessons learned using Logos (make a mistake then revise for better use).

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Shannon L. Newsome | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 27 2018 12:08 PM

Awesome! That would definitely be a "work in progress." Thanks for your reply and the great info. I am definitely going try to incorporate some of it in my own library.

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 27 2018 8:55 PM

Shannon Newsome:
I'd love to put together a "super set" but don't want to change the data.

You can't change the data. You can only cover it up. If you type in a new series name, it'll show what you typed, but the original isn't lost. If you delete your custom name, the original reappears in its place.

I've changed series names to make my own (four, actually) super sets. The only drawback I can see is, I can't type in "series:pillar" (for example) and find all the Pillar commentaries. So when I change a commentary in a series, I tag that with the original series name so I can find all the (Pillar, say) commentaries if needed.

My thanks to the various MVPs. Without them Logos would have died early. They were the only real help available.

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 1 2018 3:26 AM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

  • Initials: Series OR Author
  • (Author)

KS4J,

I like a lot of what you have done and am considering modifying my scheme to more closely match yours. I understand the logic and usefulness of putting the initials for the series followed by the author's name, but why put the author's initials followed by the author's name? Is that just so that books with no series have some initials to match the convention used with books that do have a series, or is there some other benefit  I am overlooking? The only thing I can think of is that it might help differentiate authors who share the same last name but have a different first initial. Is that it Thanks!

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 1 2018 8:36 AM

Matthew:
I understand the logic and usefulness of putting the initials for the series followed by the author's name, but why put the author's initials followed by the author's name? Is that just so that books with no series have some initials to match the convention used with books that do have a series, or is there some other benefit  I am overlooking?

Match = Yes plus another benefit is shortening Abbreviated Title (some Authors have longish names: e.g. Schleiermacher). Caveat: when an author's name is three letters or less, can keep name in abbreviated title: e.g. Fry

When modifying titles, have learned to filter library: e.g. Type:Commentary -Series:*

Sorting library by Type and Series has one title modification followed by annoyance of resources disappearing from view (using Logos 7.14 RC 2 that seems to have faster Library index updating).

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 1 2018 8:56 AM

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Matthew:
I understand the logic and usefulness of putting the initials for the series followed by the author's name, but why put the author's initials followed by the author's name? Is that just so that books with no series have some initials to match the convention used with books that do have a series, or is there some other benefit  I am overlooking?

Match = Yes plus another benefit is shortening Abbreviated Title (some Authors have longish names: e.g. Schleiermacher). Caveat: when an author's name is three letters or less, can keep name in abbreviated title: e.g. Fry

When modifying titles, have learned to filter library: e.g. Type:Commentary -Series:*

Sorting library by Type and Series has one title modification followed by annoyance of resources disappearing from view (using Logos 7.14 RC 2 that seems to have faster Library index updating).

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Keep, the longest Abbreviated Title in Ur example above uses 16 spaces, including blanks.

In Ur system, including blanks, how many spaces in total do U allow for an Abbreviated Title?  Thank you.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 1 2018 10:22 AM

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Updated Title convention:

  • ?< for Plagiarism Alert
  • #### for Year
  • Initials: Series OR Author
  • (Author)
  • Separator is = for Top 2 (with * for Jewish) and : for others
  • Original Title
  • Optional suffix

FYI: optional suffix is typically year translated into English, which usually corresponds with publication date. (Author) can include list of Authors. Some commentary series known by primary author have a number of contributors.

Abbreviated Title update (since often appears in Tab due to original title + prefix being longish):

  • ?< for Plagiarism Alert
  • #### Year
  • Initials: Series OR Author
  • Bible Book abbreviation(s)

Revised Title convention: (like Title initials when Title has three words or less: e.g. Harper's Bible Commentary, Matthew Henry)

  • ?< for Plagiarism Alert
  • #### for Year
  • Initials: Series OR Author OR Title
  • (Author)
  • Separator is = for Top 2 (with * for Jewish) and : for others
  • Original Title
  • Optional suffix

Abbreviated Title revision: (screen shot for scooter showed sometimes like Title initials: e.g. HBC, MH)

  • ?< for Plagiarism Alert
  • #### Year
  • Initials: Series OR Author OR Title
  • Bible Book abbreviation(s)

scooter:

Keep, the longest Abbreviated Title in Ur example above uses 16 spaces, including blanks.

In Ur system, including blanks, how many spaces in total do U allow for an Abbreviated Title?  Thank you.

Screen shot has an older Abbreviated Title with 19 characters, which was shortened to 9 characters. Also 10 titles are open in screen shot to show Abbreviated Titles for 9 of them. My desire is short Abbreviated Title that is appropriate for resource (had not been counting characters).

After revising Abbreviated Titles, open space for more tab(s) has increased:

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 1 2018 12:42 PM

+ Keep.  Thank you for being generous with your time.  I really appreciate seeing the Abbreviated Titles setup using a less, then more, succinct abbrev. system.

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Matt Hamrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 1 2018 3:10 PM

A long time ago I identified my top commentary I like for each book of the bible and I put all of them in the same series and removed them from the sets they belong too. Sometimes I have to change them out so I delete my series name and it restores the series to the set it belonged too. Then find the new commentary and add my series name to it. It's only 66 books or double that if you pick your two favorite commentaries for each book of the bible. Then my personal set I prioritize and when I run my reports the commentary I have chosen myself is always the first commentary in the report. I did the same thing with my bible dictionaries. 

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