Is there a way to create a series of commentaries using volumes from different sets WITHOUT having to edit the series title and losing that original information?
Not to the best of my knowledge - a resource can only be in one series at a time.
Thanks - that's what I was afraid of. I'd love to put together a "super set" but don't want to change the data.
But can't you create a "collection" (give it your own name) and add a single volume from a commentary series (from multiple commentary sets) to 'create your own' personal set? I thought I read that just a few days ago here on the forums. I haven't tried it myself yet.
Yes you can. But it doesn’t provide the Series functionality of opening a new book in the series to match the new reference selected in a linked resource.
So if, for example, you have a NAC commentary open and linked to a Bible, moving to a different biblical book will cause th corresponding NAC commentary to open. This isn’t a feature of collections but is of series
If I can piggyback on Bill's......I have no collections whatsoever. Could I create a collection containing: Romans BECNT, Romans Pillar, TH200 Logos Mobile, and Who's Who in Christian History.....just as a pretend crazy example?
Is there a way to create a series of commentaries using volumes from different sets WITHOUT having to edit the series title and losing that original information? Not to the best of my knowledge - a resource can only be in one series at a time.
Customized Titles and Series have original value out of view. Deleting customized title OR series followed by pressing enter restores original value.
Personally added series abbreviation in title prefix, which allows me to filter library for original series that has volumes in custom Top 2. After March Madness 2018, now have 56 NICOT OR NICNT volumes with 36 of them in custom Top 2 series:
Screen shot shows library sorted by Type then series with filter for NICOT OR NICNT
FYI: my Top 2 titles have "=" instead of ":" so can identify Top 2 in open tabs (and Bible Explorer, Passage Guide, ...).
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But can't you create a "collection" (give it your own name) and add a single volume from a commentary series (from multiple commentary sets) to 'create your own' personal set? I thought I read that just a few days ago here on the forums. I haven't tried it myself yet. If I can piggyback on Bill's......I have no collections whatsoever. Could I create a collection containing: Romans BECNT, Romans Pillar, TH200 Logos Mobile, and Who's Who in Christian History.....just as a pretend crazy example?
One way to create a collection is adding a Tag to desired resources.
Caveat: collection cannot be prioritized while series OR individual volumes can be. One option is tagging Top Commentary volumes, filtering library by tag, then prioritize individual Top 2 volumes (allows volume to keep original series while prioritizing Top 2 mix of volumes for desired books).
One way to create a collection is adding a Tag to desired resources. Caveat: collection cannot be prioritized while series OR individual volumes can be. One option is tagging Top Commentary volumes, filtering library by tag, then prioritize individual Top 2 volumes (allows volume to keep original series while prioritizing Top 2 mix of volumes for desired books).
Thanks, Keep !!
I'd like more information about your retitles, KS4J. Do you retitle the series, and the resource name, or is there more?
You can see the problem with being in 2 series. If I am in WBC on Numbers and go to Isaiah, should the software take me to Isaiah in WBC (because it is the same series) or NICOT (because it is in my super series)? Logos has no way to resolve the ambiguity, without destroying the convenience you were looking for in the first place.
Thread reply => https://community.logos.com/forums/p/139386/890581.aspx#890581 includes my initial Title and Abbreviated Title modification approach:
Commentary Titles (with preference for shorter title to show in Passage Guide, Search Results, Tabs, ...) ?< for Plagiarism Alert #### for Year Series OR Author (Author) is optional, which is helpful for series with more than one author for commentary on a book Separator is = for Top 2 and : for others Bible Book(s) Optional suffix Abbreviated Title Bible Book abbreviation(s) Series abbreviation #### Year is optional, which is helpful for series with more than one author for commentary on a book
Commentary Titles (with preference for shorter title to show in Passage Guide, Search Results, Tabs, ...)
Abbreviated Title
Living and Learning while liking Title modifications, have modified my titling a bit:
Updated Title convention:
FYI: optional suffix is typically year translated into English, which usually corresponds with publication date. (Author) can include list of Authors. Some commentary series known by primary author have a number of contributors.
Abbreviated Title update (since often appears in Tab due to original title + prefix being longish):
Likewise learned Library can be sorted by more than one level, which is helpful for title modification comparison. Screen shot shows work in progress to update Titles (for commentaries that are not in a Series):
Screen shot also shows MyTag customization from thread => Collection rules for sorting commentaries that has a number after Commentary to sort Historical groupings:
Wikipedia article => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Great_Awakening has four date ranges for Awakening with last one overlapping various categories (so am using time span of first three for Awakenings grouping).
Thankful for Morris Proctor mentioning at Camp Logos about lessons learned using Logos (make a mistake then revise for better use).
Awesome! That would definitely be a "work in progress." Thanks for your reply and the great info. I am definitely going try to incorporate some of it in my own library.
I'd love to put together a "super set" but don't want to change the data.
You can't change the data. You can only cover it up. If you type in a new series name, it'll show what you typed, but the original isn't lost. If you delete your custom name, the original reappears in its place.
I've changed series names to make my own (four, actually) super sets. The only drawback I can see is, I can't type in "series:pillar" (for example) and find all the Pillar commentaries. So when I change a commentary in a series, I tag that with the original series name so I can find all the (Pillar, say) commentaries if needed.
Initials: Series OR Author (Author)
KS4J,
I like a lot of what you have done and am considering modifying my scheme to more closely match yours. I understand the logic and usefulness of putting the initials for the series followed by the author's name, but why put the author's initials followed by the author's name? Is that just so that books with no series have some initials to match the convention used with books that do have a series, or is there some other benefit I am overlooking? The only thing I can think of is that it might help differentiate authors who share the same last name but have a different first initial. Is that it Thanks!
I understand the logic and usefulness of putting the initials for the series followed by the author's name, but why put the author's initials followed by the author's name? Is that just so that books with no series have some initials to match the convention used with books that do have a series, or is there some other benefit I am overlooking?
Match = Yes plus another benefit is shortening Abbreviated Title (some Authors have longish names: e.g. Schleiermacher). Caveat: when an author's name is three letters or less, can keep name in abbreviated title: e.g. Fry
When modifying titles, have learned to filter library: e.g. Type:Commentary -Series:*
Sorting library by Type and Series has one title modification followed by annoyance of resources disappearing from view (using Logos 7.14 RC 2 that seems to have faster Library index updating).
I understand the logic and usefulness of putting the initials for the series followed by the author's name, but why put the author's initials followed by the author's name? Is that just so that books with no series have some initials to match the convention used with books that do have a series, or is there some other benefit I am overlooking? Match = Yes plus another benefit is shortening Abbreviated Title (some Authors have longish names: e.g. Schleiermacher). Caveat: when an author's name is three letters or less, can keep name in abbreviated title: e.g. Fry When modifying titles, have learned to filter library: e.g. Type:Commentary -Series:* Sorting library by Type and Series has one title modification followed by annoyance of resources disappearing from view (using Logos 7.14 RC 2 that seems to have faster Library index updating). Keep Smiling
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Keep, the longest Abbreviated Title in Ur example above uses 16 spaces, including blanks.
In Ur system, including blanks, how many spaces in total do U allow for an Abbreviated Title? Thank you.
Updated Title convention: ?< for Plagiarism Alert #### for Year Initials: Series OR Author (Author) Separator is = for Top 2 (with * for Jewish) and : for others Original Title Optional suffix FYI: optional suffix is typically year translated into English, which usually corresponds with publication date. (Author) can include list of Authors. Some commentary series known by primary author have a number of contributors. Abbreviated Title update (since often appears in Tab due to original title + prefix being longish): ?< for Plagiarism Alert #### Year Initials: Series OR Author Bible Book abbreviation(s)
Revised Title convention: (like Title initials when Title has three words or less: e.g. Harper's Bible Commentary, Matthew Henry)
Abbreviated Title revision: (screen shot for scooter showed sometimes like Title initials: e.g. HBC, MH)
Keep, the longest Abbreviated Title in Ur example above uses 16 spaces, including blanks. In Ur system, including blanks, how many spaces in total do U allow for an Abbreviated Title? Thank you.
Screen shot has an older Abbreviated Title with 19 characters, which was shortened to 9 characters. Also 10 titles are open in screen shot to show Abbreviated Titles for 9 of them. My desire is short Abbreviated Title that is appropriate for resource (had not been counting characters).
After revising Abbreviated Titles, open space for more tab(s) has increased:
+ Keep. Thank you for being generous with your time. I really appreciate seeing the Abbreviated Titles setup using a less, then more, succinct abbrev. system.
A long time ago I identified my top commentary I like for each book of the bible and I put all of them in the same series and removed them from the sets they belong too. Sometimes I have to change them out so I delete my series name and it restores the series to the set it belonged too. Then find the new commentary and add my series name to it. It's only 66 books or double that if you pick your two favorite commentaries for each book of the bible. Then my personal set I prioritize and when I run my reports the commentary I have chosen myself is always the first commentary in the report. I did the same thing with my bible dictionaries.
Ok, you set up, say, Matt66comm.
You need to change out the John comm + put in Zecnt John.
Does only oldJohn lose its Matt66comm designation...or, do all 66 lose Mat66comm, + thus you have to redo Matt66com 66 times for all the prized 66 comms?
Does only oldJohn lose its Matt66comm designation.
Yes. Change it in Resource Info (not Library) to be sure it is the only resource affected.
I really appreciate the time spent giving the answers above. I am currently renaming my commentaries using some of the info given. I want to rename then mostly so that when I look at the list of commentaries in a collection search, I can know instantly which commentary it is is rather than have to look at the picture or hover my cursor. When I'm finished, it hopefully will no longer be just Genesis, but a title that lets me know it's John Hartley's commentary on Genesis from the UBCS. I haven't seen a need to retitle the short title, but that may come in the future. Thanks again to all!
Does only oldJohn lose its Matt66comm designation. Yes. Change it in Resource Info (not Library) to be sure it is the only resource affected.
Thanks, Dave.
I am wondering, but not yet wandering, along these lines. I need to decide how much info in a name is too little, so, 6 months later, when a volume comes up in a search, I know what it is, rather than having to hover. I figure to do a few books on paper to see.
I am trying to figure out if I could just create 1 title: make it short only, or a hybrid short+, and still understand the shorthand later.
Thanks for the thread.
When I'm finished, it hopefully will no longer be just Genesis, but a title that lets me know it's John Hartley's commentary on Genesis from the UBCS. I haven't seen a need to retitle the short title, but that may come in the future.
Passage Guide and Search Results show Title. Opening resources can cause switch from Title to Abbreviated Title in Tabs. Example Milestone Search (sorted by count) has three results in several resources, including John Harley's volume in UBCS:
deliberate WITHIN {Milestone <Ge22>}
Screen shot shows opening three resources from milestone search has Abbreviated Titles for two of them.
Some Commentaries have a short Title: e.g. Hartley's "Genesis" while other Commentaries have a longer Title: e.g. Boice's "Genesis, Volume 2: A New Beginning (Genesis 12–36): An Expositional Commentary" Longer Title has more opportunity for Abbreviated Title to show in Tab. Boice's volume has a default Abbreviated Title of "Genesis 12-36 (Boice)" that is longer than my convention: "1998BEC Ge v2"
If a resource does not have an Abbreviated Title, then Logos/Verbum creates one: e.g. "Matthew Henry’s Commentary on the Whole Bible: Complete and Unabridged in One Volume" becomes MHCWB:CUOV so personally prefer 1728MH along with Title: "1728 MH(Henry,et al): Matthew Henry’s Commentary on the Whole Bible: Complete and Unabridged in One Volume (1994)" that shows content creation circa 1728 that was published in 1994. Included "et al" since many contributed to completion of Matthew Henry's commentary after his human tent departure in 1714.
But can't you create a "collection" (give it your own name) and add a single volume from a commentary series (from multiple commentary sets) to 'create your own' personal set? I thought I read that just a few days ago here on the forums. I haven't tried it myself yet. Yes you can. But it doesn’t provide the Series functionality of opening a new book in the series to match the new reference selected in a linked resource. So if, for example, you have a NAC commentary open and linked to a Bible, moving to a different biblical book will cause th corresponding NAC commentary to open. This isn’t a feature of collections but is of series
It would be really nice if that functionality of opening a new book could be added as an option for a collection.
But can't you create a "collection" (give it your own name) and add a single volume from a commentary series (from multiple commentary sets) to 'create your own' personal set? I thought I read that just a few days ago here on the forums. I haven't tried it myself yet. Yes you can. But it doesn’t provide the Series functionality of opening a new book in the series to match the new reference selected in a linked resource. So if, for example, you have a NAC commentary open and linked to a Bible, moving to a different biblical book will cause th corresponding NAC commentary to open. This isn’t a feature of collections but is of series It would be really nice if that functionality of opening a new book could be added as an option for a collection.
A collection can be enabled for Parallel Resource navigation (so can use arrow keys to switch between resources).
FYI: My Top 2 Commentaries are currently in collection MyTag:Top2 plus are in a custom Series.
MyTag:Top2
So, FL automatically supplies a tag, if U do not.
Could I not use, say, zzz top2........where U use My Tag: Top2 ??? ...... I put a space : space T < will this work with a space???
zzz stands for whatever I invented, + is much faster to type.
MyTag:Top2MyTag:Top2 So, FL automatically supplies a tag, if U do not.
No. All tags (Top2) are user-created and MyTag: (or mytag:) is the way you reference that tag value, which appears in the My Tags column of Library. There is no space between the colon and the value.
All tags (Top2) are user-created and MyTag: (or mytag:) is the way you reference that tag value, which appears in the My Tags column of Library. There is no space between the colon and the value.
mytag:...............it is , then. The less typing, the better. Thanks, Dave.
I'd like more information about your retitles, KS4J. Do you retitle the series, and the resource name, or is there more? Thread reply => https://community.logos.com/forums/p/139386/890581.aspx#890581 includes my initial Title and Abbreviated Title modification approach: Commentary Titles (with preference for shorter title to show in Passage Guide, Search Results, Tabs, ...) ?< for Plagiarism Alert #### for Year Series OR Author (Author) is optional, which is helpful for series with more than one author for commentary on a book Separator is = for Top 2 and : for others Bible Book(s) Optional suffix Abbreviated Title Bible Book abbreviation(s) Series abbreviation #### Year is optional, which is helpful for series with more than one author for commentary on a book Living and Learning while liking Title modifications, have modified my titling a bit: Updated Title convention: ?< for Plagiarism Alert #### for Year Initials: Series OR Author (Author) Separator is = for Top 2 (with * for Jewish) and : for others Original Title Optional suffix FYI: optional suffix is typically year translated into English, which usually corresponds with publication date. (Author) can include list of Authors. Some commentary series known by primary author have a number of contributors. Abbreviated Title update (since often appears in Tab due to original title + prefix being longish): ?< for Plagiarism Alert #### Year Initials: Series OR Author Bible Book abbreviation(s) Likewise learned Library can be sorted by more than one level, which is helpful for title modification comparison. Screen shot shows work in progress to update Titles (for commentaries that are not in a Series): [Image] Screen shot also shows MyTag customization from thread => Collection rules for sorting commentaries that has a number after Commentary to sort Historical groupings: Commentary1Antiquity (0030-0500) Commentary2Medieval (0501-1516) Commentary3Reformation (1517-1729 plus includes some earlier works by Reformation authors) Commentary4Awakenings (1730-1900) Commentary5Modern (1901+) Wikipedia article => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Great_Awakening has four date ranges for Awakening with last one overlapping various categories (so am using time span of first three for Awakenings grouping). Thankful for Morris Proctor mentioning at Camp Logos about lessons learned using Logos (make a mistake then revise for better use). Keep Smiling
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Hi KS4J,
This is system is really interesting and I am in the process of implementing it myself. However, I was wondering what you thought about adding a book number prefix to the title Eg. "04. 1979 NICOT (Wenham) = Leviticus" instead of "1979 NICOT (Wenham) = Leviticus".
My thoughts are that this would mean that commentaries on the same book are clustered together in one's library whilst still being sorted by publication date.
I also plan on adding a prefix for commentaries on apocalyptic books stating their millennial positions eg. [AM], [<-M] [->M] for amill, premill, and postmill for respectively.
What do you think?
This is system is really interesting and I am in the process of implementing it myself. However, I was wondering what you thought about adding a book number prefix to the title Eg. "04. 1979 NICOT (Wenham) = Leviticus" instead of "1979 NICOT (Wenham) = Leviticus". My thoughts are that this would mean that commentaries on the same book are clustered together in one's library whilst still being sorted by publication date.
For volumes that comment on one book, number prefix would cluster them. Logos wiki has => Canonical Commentary Collections
A number of Series have volume(s) that comment on more than one Bible book: e.g. Joel & Obadiah
Minor Prophet volumes have a variety of Book combinations. Some New Testament Epistles tend to have a volume with more than one book: e.g. 1st, 2nd, & 3rd John
Millennium prefix could be three characters:
For grins, searched a dynamic collection: Lang:English Type:Commentary Subj:Revelation for
Amillennial OR Premillennial OR Postmillennial OR ((millennium,"thousand years" NEAR (before,after,present))
Screen shot shows millennial indicator added to some titles.
Still working on my system, but I think this screen shot shows the need for something. This is Wiersbe's "Be" series where some of them are titled and some have the book(s) included. There doesn't seem to be any real continuity. I am changing so that I can spot the book at a glance.Other additions may come later, but for now I'm definitely trying to make sure the series and book(s) are visible.
I, like you, am wondering about setting up my books; I am not as far along as you, being still in the contemplative stage.
Perhaps one comment: put the Bible book in the title in all of your first bunch.
The titles at the bottom are the one's I've retitled, with the Bible book as well as series title and book title. The ones at the top are the default titles given by Logos. Is that what you're saying?
I understand, now. The bottom ones look thorough, professional.
I type poorly, but if I typed well, I would use your style in the completed ones.
Are you going to shorten monograph titles, or just commentaries?
Starting with the commentaries in series... definitely a work in progress. I think as I go, if I spot a title that I feel needs more explanation, I'll change it for sure.
As time moves forward you will figure out which commentaries you like and will make those available in your personal set. When I first started this many years ago I used the recommendations on bestcommentaries.com to first make my personal set. But as time moved and I studied I found other commentary I preferred over the recommendations by bestcommetaries. There is nothing better than studying the scriptures yourself and when you get to the commentary finding the commentary you prefer and putting that into your personal series. It is a time consuming process but well worth the effort. Today, my personal set is uniquely me and sometimes I will find better commentary I prefer and move it to the personal series. Enjoy your studies!
Could I add a monograph or five and a few good dictionaries to a primary package of searchables containing the commentaries? Or does this put apples with oranges with rhinos?
If was numbering volumes for sorting, personally would use two digits instead of one because Wiersbe's "Be" Series has more than 9 volumes. Minor Prophets volumes have intriguing choice for grouping: Be Amazed & Be Concerned.
For comparison, screen shot shows Wiersbe's "Be" Series in my library (with chronological sort order):
Some "Be" volumes have different citation and copyright years. For title prefixing, used later year.
Logos wiki => Canonical Commentary Collections has complex rules that have Commentaries plus Monographs with Bible Indexing.
Dictionaries tend to have headword indexing, which is different than Bible Milestone indexing.
Screen shot shows Information Tool has Definition for Shalom (so opened Lexham Theological Wordbook). Explorer Tool has Commentaries section so opened UBS Handbook. The Monograph "Transformation: the Heart of Paul's Gospel" has Bible references, but does not have Bible indexing (open to page 75 that includes Phil 4:2-3 reference.
KS4J (sorry, I don't know how to clip a previous post): I would have thought the same thing about using two digits to number, but surprisingly, the 10 doesn't jump between the 1 and 2 in a list. One more question: In your style using ?< for plagerism and = for best commentaries, is it possible to search your library for titles containing these symbols? Thanks for all your help!
As time moves forward you will figure out which commentaries you like and will make those available in your personal set. When I first started this many years ago I used the recommendations on bestcommentaries.com to first make my personal set. But as time moved and I studied I found other commentary I preferred over the recommendations by bestcommetaries. There is nothing better than studying the scriptures yourself and when you get to the commentary finding the commentary you prefer and putting that into your personal series. It is a time consuming process but well worth the effort. Today, my personal set is uniquely me and sometimes I will find better commentary I prefer and move it to the personal series. Enjoy your studies! Could I add a monograph or five and a few good dictionaries to a primary package of searchables containing the commentaries? Or does this put apples with oranges with rhinos?
I am almost 100% positive you could put any resource you want into your personal series. I have 2 personal series, one for commentaries and the other for bible dictionaries.
KS4J (sorry, I don't know how to clip a previous post)
Logos wiki has => Using the Forums that includes
I would have thought the same thing about using two digits to number, but surprisingly, the 10 doesn't jump between the 1 and 2 in a list.
Thankful for many friendly forum and Faithlife discussions: have learned a lot plus have a lot to learn. Pleasantly surprised by Title sorting. For grins, created a collection that showed 2 jumps between 19 and 20 (so collection name sorting does not have Title sort modification).
I note that many of your titles have the spelling Wiesrbe instead of Wiersbe.
Thank you, Matt. [Where did all your posts go? Only 3.]
Thank you, Keep.
Looks like both of you keep collections pure [dict in one, comm in another], but Matt mentioned I can mix them together like trail mix.
For comparison, screen shot shows Wiersbe's "Be" Series in my library (with chronological sort order): I note that many of your titles have the spelling Wiesrbe instead of Wiersbe.
[:$] Thanks. Looks like finger (re)training worked: (plus proves Work in Progress for Title modifications)
... keep collections pure [dict in one, comm in another]
Personally like grouping similar items together. Have customized series for a number of IVP Dictionaries:
Opening an IVP Dictionary allows me to enter a headword. If not found in that resource, other resources in series are searched: e.g. peace
Clicking Peace from suggestions causes different IVP Dictionary to open:
Thank you, Matt. [Where did all your posts go? Only 3.] Thank you, Keep. Looks like both of you keep collections pure [dict in one, comm in another], but Matt mentioned I can mix them together like trail mix.
I changed my email recently and I guess it started over.
Keep Smiling, I like the idea of a custom dictionary series, that is a great idea! I'm doing that!
Random question, do you know whether it is possible to change how a title is sorted by type? I have a few monographs that I would prefer to be sorted with my other Systematic Theology titles.
Are tag/series/collection the only workarounds?
Thanks.
