Question About Longevity of Logos on Mac

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Tim Nargi | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Apr 3 2018 7:21 AM

A report came out today that Apple plans to make their own chips for the Mac by 2020 instead of relying on Intel chips. I'm guessing this means that FaithLife would have to rewrite their software to support the new chips. My question is, does FaithLife always plan to support Mac and PC? Is that stated anywhere? They had to do this when Apple went from Power PC to Intel right?

One neat thing about this, is that potentially users could have one app across all platforms, for better or for worse. I'm wondering what that would look like for Logos?

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 3 2018 7:51 AM

Tim Nargi:

A report came out today that Apple plans to make their own chips for the Mac by 2020 instead of relying on Intel chips. I'm guessing this means that FaithLife would have to rewrite their software to support the new chips. My question is, does FaithLife always plan to support Mac and PC? Is that stated anywhere? They had to do this when Apple went from Power PC to Intel right?

One neat thing about this, is that potentially users could have one app across all platforms, for better or for worse. I'm wondering what that would look like for Logos?

Faithlife will write in a coding language that creates a program that operates within the OS, which interprets the commands to the chip, which processes them. I don't believe Faithlife writes machine/chip specific code.

Further, Apple will (probably) not want to create a chip that is so proprietary that programs that used to work within Apple no longer do. That's just bad business, and Apple is good at keeping/generating business.

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Adam Sudduth | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 3 2018 8:00 AM

My understanding of this is: Apple will use the "A" chips that are currently in iPhones, iPads, and other devices in Mac Computers. More than likely, the iOS apps will likely merge with the MacOS app as a universal app. So, it may allow Faithlife to develop 1 app for all Apple products.

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 3 2018 8:22 AM

This is all guestimates, but Apple Mac has successfully made the transition between very different hardware architectures twice before - namely from the 68000 family to PowerPC, and then from PowerPC to Intel x86. While there have been hickups on the way, it was generally able to work because so much in the Mac world is done by OS system calls instead of talking to the hardware. So the new OS is able to handle the OS calls, and have some form of an emulator that works for actual CPU instructions when needed. As I said, there were some hickups in actual practice, but in Apple was able to manage the transition much easier than I thought they would be able to.

Of course I cannot speak for Faithlife, but Faithlife already does support multiple platforms. It would seem highly likely that they would continue to support the Mac to me.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 3 2018 10:19 AM

Tim Nargi:
A report came out today that Apple plans to make their own chips for the Mac by 2020 instead of relying on Intel chips. I'm guessing this means that FaithLife would have to rewrite their software to support the new chips.

Recompile/rewrite depends on Mac operating system with Apple's A-Series. The Verge has an informative article => https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/3/17191986/apple-intel-cpu-processor-design-competition that includes iOS laptop speculation along with Apple's motivation for A-Series chip development that already performs better than Intel mobile CPU's.

Faithlife already compiles iOS mobile app for use on Apple's A-Series chips. Caveat: mobile app lacks many application features.

Web Apps run on WebGL Browsers on a variety of hardware, including Intel x86 and Apple A-Series.

Tim Nargi:
My question is, does FaithLife always plan to support Mac and PC? Is that stated anywhere?

Related news is Microsoft Reorganization => https://stratechery.com/2018/the-end-of-windows/ that includes Microsoft Azure (instead of Windows Azure). Core Windows engineering is now in Azure group with the rest effectively in Office group.

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Alan Palmer (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 3 2018 11:18 AM

While interesting, I want to reassure people that I don't expect this news to cause any disruption to our plans for Logos Desktop on Mac.

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Gordon Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 3 2018 12:32 PM

Alan Palmer (Faithlife):

I want to reassure people that I don't expect this news to cause any disruption to our plans for Logos Desktop on Mac.

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 3 2018 1:28 PM

Tim Nargi:

A report came out today that Apple plans to make their own chips for the Mac by 2020 instead of relying on Intel chips. 

Where did you see this report?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 3 2018 1:30 PM

Steve:
Where did you see this report?

Originally on Bloomberg, but it's been picked up by most tech sites, e.g.: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/04/apple-is-exploring-macs-running-its-own-cpus-but-that-dream-is-a-long-way-off/ 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 3 2018 1:46 PM

Steve:
Where did you see this report?

Mark answered, but just to point out: This is still all rumor. Although it may have more legs this time, the same rumor was around in 2013.

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Dave Thawley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 5 2018 3:18 PM

just a guess but I don't see it making a difference. There should be a software layer between the silicon and application which I guess would still have the same/very similar interface to the application code. If not in would mean that everyone (including apple) would have to re-write all of their software and I can't see them being silly enough to force that sort of avoidable cost onto themselves. 

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