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Thaddeus Billman | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jun 9 2018 9:15 PM

Any chance of getting the Michael Heiser sale of Faithlife eBooks?  https://gospelebooks.net/christian-ebook-deals/michael-s-heiser-e-book-sale.html   (Also Unseen Realm at $6.99)

I realize these are among the most popular Lexham titles, but if you are willing to let Amazon sell them for $3.99 and take a cut, surely you can sell them for cheaper than $15.99 on your own platform. :)

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 9 2018 10:44 PM

Thaddeus Billman:

Any chance of getting the Michael Heiser sale of Faithlife eBooks?  https://gospelebooks.net/christian-ebook-deals/michael-s-heiser-e-book-sale.html   (Also Unseen Realm at $6.99)

I realize these are among the most popular Lexham titles, but if you are willing to let Amazon sell them for $3.99 and take a cut, surely you can sell them for cheaper than $15.99 on your own platform. :)

I agree. Something very odd is going on. All these Faithlife publications are on sale at Kindle, but not at Faithlife.

https://gospelebooks.net/christian-ebook-deals/transformative-word-series.html

https://gospelebooks.net/christian-ebook-deals/every-square-inch-good-thing-waking-hour-series-lexham-press.html

https://gospelebooks.net/christian-ebook-deals/kirkdale-press-e-book-sale.html

Surely Faithlife make more when they sell through their own website than when they sell on Amazon.

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Jack Hairston | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 10 2018 1:24 PM

Ummm, Amazon copies of the book do not have all the Logos links. These require much labor to hook up. You're getting as much as you are willing to pay for. 

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Thaddeus Billman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 10 2018 7:37 PM

Jack Hairston:

Ummm, Amazon copies of the book do not have all the Logos links. These require much labor to hook up. You're getting as much as you are willing to pay for. 

If we are just talking about Bible verses, which is very likely the case for these books, all that it would take is running a regex on the master copy of the text (which Faithlife owns since it is Lexham book).  Most certainly, we are not talking about a difference of $12+ per copy sold. 

Regardless, the main point is that the Kindle and Faithlife direct price are usually about the same, but this month Faithlife has these titles on sale at Amazon, but regular price direct, causing a huge price difference.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 11 2018 4:23 AM

Some of his books are in logos and sales don't usually carry over to there though I agree that they should. He does have some in the ebooks site though that should carry over though. I haven't checked since this original post went up but he has some fiction books that weren't on sale.

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 11 2018 2:12 PM

The Transformative Word Series don't add much value in Logos, other than having them all in the Logos library. It would be nice to see this series offered at the Kindle price - especially as they are very brief and probably over priced at "full" price.

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Jake Mailhot | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 11 2018 2:51 PM

Thanks for your concern. For the past few months, Lexham has been running a pricing experiment with our titles on Kindle. Our goal has been to find a price where our products still retain value (vs. run of the mill $0.99 ebooks) while providing a "no-brainer" price for our customers. Because of the complexity of listing products on both Faithlife Ebooks and Logos.com in our backend system, we haven't extended this pricing strategy to these storefronts (though we're currently discussing different options).

I would like to point out that the product you're receiving when you purchase from Amazon is a different product than the one that is sold on Logos.com or Faithlife Ebooks. As Jack alluded to above, the digital product you purchase from Logos.com or Faithlife Ebooks is tagged and linked to your Logos digital library. There is a hard cost associated with those digital features and it provides utility a simple ebook cannot hope to match.

We're happy to hear your feedback. Hopefully we'll have some news about pricing our books on Faithlife Ebooks and Logos.com in new and exciting ways in the near future.

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 11 2018 3:07 PM

So are pure e-book titles from Lexham Press and Kirkdale Press fully tagged? This information is certainly new to me.

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Bobby Terhune | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 11 2018 3:16 PM

Both books, "The Unseen Realm" and "Reversing Hermon" have extensive links to other literature and commentaries. Without using these particular books in Logos, you would miss a lot of needed links to your library.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 11 2018 3:45 PM

Jan Krohn:
So are pure e-book titles from Lexham Press and Kirkdale Press fully tagged?

You are confusing the publisher with the format. "Logos edition" resources are specially tagged... "Ebook edition" resources (Faithlife eBooks, formerly Vyrso) are auto converted and have limited, automated tagging. Part of the confusion may be that some (but not many) "logos edition" resources are sold through the eBook store. 

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 11 2018 4:04 PM

JT (alabama24):

You are confusing the publisher with the format. "Logos edition" resources are specially tagged... "Ebook edition" resources (Faithlife eBooks, formerly Vyrso) are auto converted and have limited, automated tagging. Part of the confusion may be that some (but not many) "logos edition" resources are sold through the eBook store. 

That's been my understanding so far, but it's contrary to what Jake wrote.

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Thaddeus Billman | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 11 2018 4:29 PM

Jake Mailhot:

Thanks for your concern. For the past few months, Lexham has been running a pricing experiment with our titles on Kindle. Our goal has been to find a price where our products still retain value (vs. run of the mill $0.99 ebooks) while providing a "no-brainer" price for our customers. Because of the complexity of listing products on both Faithlife Ebooks and Logos.com in our backend system, we haven't extended this pricing strategy to these storefronts (though we're currently discussing different options).

I would like to point out that the product you're receiving when you purchase from Amazon is a different product than the one that is sold on Logos.com or Faithlife Ebooks. As Jack alluded to above, the digital product you purchase from Logos.com or Faithlife Ebooks is tagged and linked to your Logos digital library. There is a hard cost associated with those digital features and it provides utility a simple ebook cannot hope to match.

We're happy to hear your feedback. Hopefully we'll have some news about pricing our books on Faithlife Ebooks and Logos.com in new and exciting ways in the near future.

Thank you for the reply.  I understand that "Logos edition" books normally cost more than "simple eBooks."  What I would like to see in the future is a comparable sale.  For example,  if you are going to cut a $14.99 book to $3.99 on Kindle, it would seem to make since to cut the $19.99 Logos price to $9.99 or something like that.  This would make it a "no brainer" to buy the Logos book instead of settling for the bargain eBook. :) 

Thanks for you consideration.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 11 2018 6:21 PM

Jan Krohn:
That's been my understanding so far, but it's contrary to what Jake wrote.

One of us has misunderstood him... or both! Stick out tongue

He wrote (and you seem to be focusing on):

Jake Mailhot:
As Jack alluded to above, the digital product you purchase from Logos.com or Faithlife Ebooks is tagged and linked to your Logos digital library.

But, in context, he is talking specifically about the Michael Heiser books, which are sold as Logos editions in both stores (Logos.com & Faithlife eBooks, emphasis mine): 

Jake Mailhot:
Because of the complexity of listing products on both Faithlife Ebooks and Logos.com in our backend system

His comment wasn't about Faithlife eBooks in general, but rather the Logos edition resource which is co-listed in both stores. 

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 11 2018 6:40 PM

Why can't these go on sale? They are only in Faithlife ebooks and have no value added

https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/45371/the-facade 

https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/44933/the-portent 

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Gordon Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 11 2018 11:26 PM

Mattillo:

Why can't these go on sale? They are only in Faithlife ebooks and have no value added

https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/45371/the-facade 

https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/44933/the-portent 

Yes

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 11 2018 11:44 PM

Jake Mailhot:

Thanks for your concern. For the past few months, Lexham has been running a pricing experiment with our titles on Kindle. Our goal has been to find a price where our products still retain value (vs. run of the mill $0.99 ebooks) while providing a "no-brainer" price for our customers. Because of the complexity of listing products on both Faithlife Ebooks and Logos.com in our backend system, we haven't extended this pricing strategy to these storefronts (though we're currently discussing different options).

I would like to point out that the product you're receiving when you purchase from Amazon is a different product than the one that is sold on Logos.com or Faithlife Ebooks. As Jack alluded to above, the digital product you purchase from Logos.com or Faithlife Ebooks is tagged and linked to your Logos digital library. There is a hard cost associated with those digital features and it provides utility a simple ebook cannot hope to match.

We're happy to hear your feedback. Hopefully we'll have some news about pricing our books on Faithlife Ebooks and Logos.com in new and exciting ways in the near future.

Jake

Thanks for the explanation. In the case of the Transformative Word Series is there much tagging? They seem to be more like "Vyrso" ebooks. I value the volumes I have, but I find them too short to warrant buying at full price. However, I concede I've discounted buying in Kindle at the reduced price as I'd prefer to have them in my Faithlife library. I'm grateful you are discussing the pricing strategy. I'll certainly pick up more Transformative Word volumes as they go on sale at Faithlife.

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 12 2018 12:31 AM

JT (alabama24):

Jan Krohn:
That's been my understanding so far, but it's contrary to what Jake wrote.

One of us has misunderstood him... or both! Stick out tongue

Or he has misunderstood the issue.

JT (alabama24):
He wrote (and you seem to be focusing on):

Jake Mailhot:
As Jack alluded to above, the digital product you purchase from Logos.com or Faithlife Ebooks is tagged and linked to your Logos digital library.

But, in context, he is talking specifically about the Michael Heiser books, which are sold as Logos editions in both stores (Logos.com & Faithlife eBooks, emphasis mine):

The context is not only on Michael Heiser's books, but on all the Kirkdale and Lexham titles linked in the first two posts. Some of these are Logos editions, but many of them are e-book editions.

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 14 2018 11:37 AM

Jake

Is there any possibility the Transformative Word volumes which appear to be merely ebooks will be made available at favourable prices via Faithlife too?

I'll pick up at Amazon when needed but won't buy unless I'm preaching on a particular book. However, I would buy volumes at Faithlife if on sale.

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