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Rick Ratzlaff | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Aug 3 2018 7:44 PM

Remember the Thompson Chain Reference Bible.

Is that tool duplicated in Logos somehow? I grew up on that and loved it.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 3 2018 8:08 PM

Fact book is all I can think of right now in English, since it is available in Spanish in Logos. 

DAL

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 3 2018 8:18 PM

Rick, another company (E4) produced a Logos version years ago, but subsequently lost their rights to sell it (if I am recalling correctly).

It was not a full working Thompson Chain Reference Bible. It contained some (all?) of the material at the back of the TCRB (Bible overview, book introductions, topical chains, etc.), but all the chain references attached to the text of the Bible itself (those side column references) was not included, so much of the benefit of the TCRB was lost.

No other version was ever produced and that version is no longer available.

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Rick Ratzlaff | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 3 2018 8:32 PM

I found Bibles.

https://www.thekjvstore.com/kjv-bibles/study-bibles/thompson-chain.html?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=**LP%20-%20NonTM%20%7C%20Bible%20-%20Special&utm_term=%2Bthompson%20%2Bchain%20%2Breference%20%2Bbible&utm_content=Thompson%20Reference%20Bible

I'm going to make this addition a suggestion. It was way ahead of it's time.

Another one is Dake's Study Bible. It is amazing. I have my dad's who found all TRUTH on the other side of Jordan in 1980. Smile

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 4 2018 2:31 AM

Mark Smith:
It was not a full working Thompson Chain Reference Bible. It contained some (all?) of the material at the back of the TCRB (Bible overview, book introductions, topical chains, etc.), but all the chain references attached to the text of the Bible itself (those side column references) was not included, so much of the benefit of the TCRB was lost.

Agree the E4 Thompson Chain Reference did not contain all of the material but it actually very usable within Logos if you set up you layout correctly and use it in conjunction with the cited by tool

1. Bible you are studying

2 Cited by Tool including the E4 TCR linked to the 1.

3 E4 TCR

4 Duplicate copy of bible which has send hyperlinks here set to active

1. Current verse is Mt 5:13

2. Cited by Tool showing all topic chains that cite Mt 5:13

3. From 2 I have clicked on the link for the first topic, INFLUENCE, GOOD and this has opened in the E4 TCR

4. As hyperlinks are set to be sent to this duplicate copy of the bible, i do no loose my verse being studied but I can look all the verse I want to from the currently selected topic chain in 3.

That said would love to see the full TCR in Logos but this works reasonably well for now.It's a shame its no longer available to others.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 4 2018 6:30 AM

doc, that's very helpful. If I ever knew to do the set-up that way, I have certainly forgotten.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 4 2018 6:53 AM

Mark Smith:

doc, that's very helpful. If I ever knew to do the set-up that way, I have certainly forgotten.

Cited by Tool is one of the less talked about tools, so is easy to overlook for layouts like this one.  I am sure there are plenty of things I have forgotten over the years Mark, that you have reminded me of from time to time.

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Jerome Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 4 2018 10:00 AM

The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge will often lead to similar sets of references. It is more complete than the Thompson Chain Reference Bible. It has a topic number index (which Thomas Nelson Publishers left out of the digital edition available in Logos (without consulting me, the author, before they made the decision).

If you use the TCRB in conjunction with the New Treasury you will usually get more complete results.

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Rick Ratzlaff | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 4 2018 10:16 AM

THANK YOU Jerome for pointing me in this direction. I didn't realise the way to use this. I love the concept on how to use it. Bless you.

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depdad | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 4 2018 12:43 PM

I still have and use my NIV 1983 Thompson Chain Bible. The WORDsearch Bible program also has the Thompson Chain Reference included in it.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 4 2018 2:12 PM

depdad:

I still have and use my NIV 1983 Thompson Chain Bible. The WORDsearch Bible program also has the Thompson Chain Reference included in it.

So does A company

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 4 2018 4:02 PM

 No doubt you are very familiar with NTSK as it’s editor along with other cross reference tools, and it is an excellent Bible Study help.

Sometimes less is more depending upon the depth of study one wants to undertake and that’s where I find TCR useful. And I turn to my print NIV TCR for a lot of material not found in the legacy cross reference tool in Logos and other cross reference tools in Logos. And  layout presented does work well with all of these cross reference tools. 

I am though not trying to take away anything from the your work on the NTSK. It is a must have tool in ones Bible Study tool kit.

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Jerome Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 5 2018 5:18 AM

It is surely true that "less is more" in many circumstances. I was acutely aware of this issue when working on the New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge. That is one reason I employed symbols with the references. The most important references have a special symbol that marks them so that when, for example, I am teaching a Sunday school class where there is not time to consult all the references, I take care to share those.

When I have used Nelson's Cross Reference Guide to the Bible, I have occasionally been caught with a long set of cross references. Since there are no emphasis markings in the NCRG I was required to go by memory to share the clearest or most crucial ones when teaching. I learned fast that I personally greatly prefer having those symbols at hand to guide my use of the references while teaching.

My newest venture has been a great expansion of the cross references in a work titled The Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury. It has over 900,000 cross references. I have often found that "More is better" when digging more deeply into a subject of interest. This resource is in digital format but is exclusively available only with the e-Sword Bible software. Among its many important new features is a more complete accounting of the provisions of the Abrahamic and the Davidic Covenants.

Compared to the Thompson Chain Reference Bible, my New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge and my Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury provide references for many verses left untouched by the TCRB and many other resources.

Nevertheless, I too enjoy the format and content of the Thompson Chain Reference Bible and always highly recommend its use to others.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 5 2018 1:50 PM

Jerome Smith:
That is one reason I employed symbols with the references.

I'd be interested in your feedback on SUGGESTION: Win-win for a new note feature - legend and abbreviations

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 5 2018 2:09 PM

 Always good to hear from Authors. Thanks for your comment. I had heard of your new Ulimate resource but wasnt sure if it’s digital availability - now I know.

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Les Campbell | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 7 2020 7:55 AM

During my college days I used a Bible with the Thomson Chain reference system. I could not find this in Logo 8. However, I did find it in WordSearch 12 which I use for a Bible study. I use WordSearch 12 with Logos 8 for an in depth study. You cannot teach a old dog new ticks.

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Mike Tourangeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 7 2020 8:18 AM

Les Campbell:
During my college days I used a Bible with the Thomson Chain reference system.

Can someone explain what the Thompson Chain reference system did? I have never seen one....

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Jerome Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 7 2020 8:47 AM

The Thompson Chain Reference Bible links Bible topics from Genesis to Revelation. The topics are identified in the margin of the Bible with a reference to the next verse in the chain. Each topic is given its own number. In the back of the Bible is an index by number to the topics. It is a very well-done Bible study resource. If, for example, you are reading Genesis 3:15, the topic Messianic Prophecies is given in the margin (with the number 2890, and the next reference is given as Genesis 12:3). The topics at Genesis 3:14 are given as 3153 Satan Job 1:6; 903 Divine Curse; 3152 Satan Humbled Zec 3:2; 1170 Abasement (1) Job 40:12. 

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 7 2020 9:42 AM

Logos has a TCR of sorts. I had forgotten about it. Thanks for the goad.

https://www.logos.com/product/16107/dictionary-of-bible-themes 

If you go to the scripture index in the back, you can pull up a similar list of what the TCR has right alongside a verse. This is a bit cumbersome to do but can be rewarding. I just opened it in a floating panel now with the TOC alongside and it can get you lots of information. Praise the Lord!Geeked

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Greg Corbin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 7 2020 12:35 PM

Brought back old memories, as the gift of a Thompson Chain Reference Bible was greatly helpful to me early in my study/ministry. Even though the Thompson Chain Reference Bible isn't for sale in Logos,  The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge is a very similar type resource and I have found it to be very helpful - along with the old Nave's Topical.

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