Surface Go and Logos

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Aug 5 2018 8:48 PM

I picked up a new Microsoft Surface Go on Thursday. This is a 10-inch tablet that looks just like a Surface Pro. It is designed and crafted with the same attention to quality as the Surface Pro. I got the version with 8GB RAM and a 128GB NVMe SSD. There also is one that has 4GB of RAM and a 64 eMMC drive, but I wouldn't recommend that. The tablet weighs 1.15 lbs. without the keyboard. The keyboard must be purchased separately.

The weakest point of this tablet is the processor, an Intel Pentium Gold 4415Y, that runs at 1.6 GHz with no turbo boost. The graphics chipset with the Pentium Gold 4415Y is the Intel HD Graphics 615, which is supposed to be an improved graphics chip.

The Surface Go comes with Windows S on it, which means that out of the box you can only install programs from the Microsoft Store. This, of course, means you can't install Logos on it. But a 10 second free fix changes that and you have Windows 10 Home running instead.

You'd think with a processor like the Intel Pentium Gold 4415Y that Logos wouldn't run acceptably, but I can tell you that Logos runs pretty well on it. After a fresh boot, it's about 45 seconds to launch Logos and get to my layout. Once inside the program, two key things -- being able to rearrange windows easily and smoothly scroll through open windows with the pen or touch -- work pretty well.

It is a fanless computer and so that could mean it could get hot, but it certainly doesn't get hot when running normally. The heat rises when indexing or charging, but that is all I have noticed.

It took approximately 2.5 hours to download and index Logos for the first time (my Logos data folder is just under 36GB). I thought that was pretty good. Credit my fast wifi connection at work and the NVMe SSD for that.

Projecting to my 27-inch Dell monitor with Microsoft's USB-C to HDMI dongle worked flawlessly, but another dongle I had didn't work, so I guess all USB-C to HDMI dongles aren't created equally.

I haven't had a chance to really gauge battery life. There are some concerns with this, given that the Go has a 26.1Wh battery pack. For comparison, the Surface Pro has a 45Wh pack and the 2018 iPad, 32.9Wh.

Let me emphasize that this should not be your main computer, but if you are looking for a smaller device that lets you run the full version of Logos with all of your PBBs (unlike the iPad or Android mobile apps), then you may want to take a look. Taking sermon notes this morning in One Note was great! Big Smile

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Dave Thawley | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 6 2018 4:25 AM

Thanks for the great review Bill

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 6 2018 2:27 PM

Bill, you are always so complete and helpful in your reviews. THANK you!!

For those who see the title of this thread and are unaware, Logos does have a Community Pricing project - https://www.logos.com/product/50060/windows-universal-bible-app 

And a uservoice that currently has the 3rd most votes - https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-7/suggestions/619605-focus-on-tablet-and-touchscreen-features 

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Chris Gardner | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 3 2018 6:24 PM

OK, thanks Bill for that review.  Because of that review I went out and got a Surface Go as well.  I got the 128 gig version.  I have a very large library.  It is actually right over 80 gigs for the download, because of that I decided to put the library on an external card.  I have been pleasantly surprised at how well it does with the program.  It seemed like forever to get everything downloaded and indexed but once it is all there I have been very impressed with how it has handled it all.  

I am coming from a 13 inch MBP with 16 gigs of ram and 1 TB drive and honestly I can say that it does almost as well. 

The only thing I have found to be frustrating is that when it is PREPARING LIBRARY (which seems to happen way too often) it gets really slow.  Thanks for the review and if you know any key for it to stop preparing the library when nothing new is in there let me know. 

The form factor of this device is amazing seeing that I can walk around and study from right at 55,000 resources.  Thanks again.

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 3 2018 6:36 PM

Chris Gardner:

OK, thanks Bill for that review.  Because of that review I went out and got a Surface Go as well.  I got the 128 gig version.  I have a very large library.  It is actually right over 80 gigs for the download, because of that I decided to put the library on an external card.  I have been pleasantly surprised at how well it does with the program.  It seemed like forever to get everything downloaded and indexed but once it is all there I have been very impressed with how it has handled it all.  

I am coming from a 13 inch MBP with 16 gigs of ram and 1 TB drive and honestly I can say that it does almost as well. 

The only thing I have found to be frustrating is that when it is PREPARING LIBRARY (which seems to happen way too often) it gets really slow.  Thanks for the review and if you know any key for it to stop preparing the library when nothing new is in there let me know. 

The form factor of this device is amazing seeing that I can walk around and study from right at 55,000 resources.  Thanks again.

I am glad to hear you are liking the SG, Chris. Yes, when Logos is indexing, things slow down. It might be slower in your case because you have your library on the SD card. Has your SG completed its initial index?

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Chris Gardner | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 3 2018 7:48 PM

Yes, I have used it for 10 days after indexing.  The preparing library makes no sense to me, sometimes it does it when I open Logos and it takes 30 minutes and sometimes it takes 3 hours.  

I have prepped from start to finish 3 different messages, so far so good. 

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Chris Gardner | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 3 2018 7:49 PM

and I forgot to say sometimes it doesn't do that at all and it works perfectly. 

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 4 2018 7:31 AM

Thank you, Bill.  Very helpful review.

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Adam Olean | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 4 2018 8:53 AM

Bill Anderson:

I am glad to hear you are liking the SG, Chris. Yes, when Logos is indexing, things slow down. It might be slower in your case because you have your library on the SD card. Has your SG completed its initial index?

I'd just add to what Bill said that if you get a microSD card, consider getting one that's fast. Here's what I've been using on my Surface Pro (2017), although I haven't moved my library resources to it. That said, it has worked great for everything else. I much prefer it to the slower card that I used for my old Surface 3 (non-Pro model).

https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-128GB-microSDXC-UHS-3/dp/B06XX3X9JD 

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 4 2018 9:09 AM

Adam Olean:
I'd just add to what Bill said that if you get a microSD card, consider getting one that's fast.

Great point Adam!! many people do not realize that all microSD cards are NOT the same speed.

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Chris Gardner | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 4 2018 9:14 AM

Thanks Adam, I have a card that is very fast.  I do videography on the side with 4k cameras so I made sure it was a fast card.  I honestly can say that I love the experience of the Surface Go just have some issues starting out some times until the preparing library thing goes away. 

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Jadrian Haywood | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 5 2018 8:48 PM

Bill, thanks for your review. I am, however, not having such an easy go at logos on my new surface go. I have tried several times without success to download the windows version of logos on this tablet and have continued to receive an error stating "Setup as unable to download a required file." I apologize if this issue has already been mentioned in other forums but I was not able to find any related information. Please help??

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 5 2018 9:18 PM

Jadrian,

Welcome to the Logos forums. I am sorry you are having trouble. Just to ask the obvious, did you take your Surface Go out of Windows S mode? You won't be able to install Logos until you do.

Bill

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Jadrian Haywood | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 5 2018 10:11 PM

Actually, this is a great question Bill and yes I did take it out of S mode. I do not believe I would have been able to download it in s mode.

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 6 2018 1:37 AM

Adam Olean:

Bill Anderson:

I am glad to hear you are liking the SG, Chris. Yes, when Logos is indexing, things slow down. It might be slower in your case because you have your library on the SD card. Has your SG completed its initial index?

I'd just add to what Bill said that if you get a microSD card, consider getting one that's fast. Here's what I've been using on my Surface Pro (2017), although I haven't moved my library resources to it. That said, it has worked great for everything else. I much prefer it to the slower card that I used for my old Surface 3 (non-Pro model).

https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-128GB-microSDXC-UHS-3/dp/B06XX3X9JD  

Please be patient with this question. I have a Surface Pro 3 and I am running out of room with a large library. My Surface doesn't have a slot for a SD card but it does have a USB port. Is there a storage solution for models that lack the SD port or am I sunk? 

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Dave Thawley | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 6 2018 5:41 AM

Beloved:
Please be patient with this question. I have a Surface Pro 3 and I am running out of room with a large library. My Surface doesn't have a slot for a SD card but it does have a USB port. Is there a storage solution for models that lack the SD port or am I sunk? 

hi Beloved,,

Firstly are you sure your machine doesn't have a micro SD slot ? I have an older model than you and the SD slot is difficult to find but it is there

This may help 

https://www.lovemysurface.net/add-a-micro-sd-card-to-surface-tablets/

If not you can get a USB stick that takes microSD cards. You may just want to run it off the USB itself. If you have USB 3 then it will be very fast. If it is USB 2 then unfortunately it won't be :-)

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 6 2018 6:22 AM

Dave Thawley:

Beloved:
Please be patient with this question. I have a Surface Pro 3 and I am running out of room with a large library. My Surface doesn't have a slot for a SD card but it does have a USB port. Is there a storage solution for models that lack the SD port or am I sunk? 

hi Beloved,,

Firstly are you sure your machine doesn't have a micro SD slot ? I have an older model than you and the SD slot is difficult to find but it is there

This may help 

https://www.lovemysurface.net/add-a-micro-sd-card-to-surface-tablets/

If not you can get a USB stick that takes microSD cards. You may just want to run it off the USB itself. If you have USB 3 then it will be very fast. If it is USB 2 then unfortunately it won't be :-)

I looked for it in the past. I took it to Geek Squad they told me that my model didn't have one. How can I distinguish between the two USB ports? Thanks, Dave.

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 6 2018 6:35 AM

Never mind, from the illustration in your link my model does indeed have a slot Big Smile

Thanks Large!!!

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 6 2018 6:54 AM

Another tech dummy question. What file is my Logos library in? How do I find it?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 6 2018 6:59 AM

Beloved:

Another tech dummy question. What file is my Logos library in? How do I find it?

https://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_multiple_computers gives some pointers as to locations.

If you right-click the Logos icon, then select "Logos Bible Software" and Properties you should get the option to "Open File Location". 

That will open to the top-level Logos directory with everything else depending on that.

The actual library files are stored in Data/uniqueid/ResourceManager/Resources under there

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