What is the quickest way to find what verse map is used in a resource?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Aug 12 2018 6:21 PM

Mandel, David. Who’s Who in the Jewish Bible. Philadelphia: The Jewish Publication Society, 2007.

The above resource either has a number of Bible reference errors or it is using the wrong verse map. Especially in Ezra, the references when opened in the NRSV are incorrect.

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Philana R. Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 13 2018 9:07 AM

Can you give some examples of what the references are in the resoruce and where they open up in the NRSV?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 13 2018 2:41 PM

Philana R. Crouch:

Can you give some examples of what the references are in the resoruce and where they open up in the NRSV?

I didn't add notes as they appeared. That's why I wanted to know what mapping was used so I could go back and see if it was a production error or typos. I can't find them easily but will probably run into them again in a month or so when I am verifying my tagging. The were normally off by about 2 verses.

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Philana R. Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 13 2018 2:52 PM

MJ,

I think it uses the same verse mapping as the BHS or Tanak since it was published by the JPS.

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 14 2018 11:16 AM

MJ. Smith:

The above resource either has a number of Bible reference errors or it is using the wrong verse map. Especially in Ezra, the references when opened in the NRSV are incorrect.

AFAIK the BHS, JPS, and NRSV verse maps for Ezra are identical, so some specific examples would be very helpful.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 14 2018 11:04 PM

Example 1:

Ziphah (Hebrew origin: Flowing)

(1 Chronicles 4:18). Unspecified date.
Ziphah son of Jehallelel was a descendant of Judah. His brothers were Ziph, Tiria, and Asarel.


David Mandel, Who’s Who in the Jewish Bible (Philadelphia: The Jewish Publication Society, 2007), 418.

Actual reference in NRSV 1 Chr 4:17

Example 2

Ziph (Hebrew origin: Flowing)

1. (1 Chronicles 4:18). Unspecified date.
Ziph son of Jehallelel was a descendant of Judah. His brothers


David Mandel, Who’s Who in the Jewish Bible (Philadelphia: The Jewish Publication Society, 2007), 417.

Actual reference in NRSV is 1 Chr 4:16

Example 3 (likely a typo):

2. (1 Kings 18:9). 9th century B.C.E.
Zimri, the fifth king of Israel after the partition of the United Monarchy, had been the commander of half the chariots of the Israelite army. King Elah, the fourth king, was visiting Arza, the steward of the royal palace, and was in a drunken stupor when Zimri entered the house and murdered him. Zimri then killed all the other members of the royal family and proclaimed himself king.


David Mandel, Who’s Who in the Jewish Bible (Philadelphia: The Jewish Publication Society, 2007), 417.

Actual reference in NRSV is 1 Kgs 16:9

Example 4:

10. (2 Chronicles 18:18). 9th century B.C.E.

Zichri was the father of Amasiah, one of the commanders of King Jehoshaphat’s army, with 200,000 men under his command.


David Mandel, Who’s Who in the Jewish Bible (Philadelphia: The Jewish Publication Society, 2007), 416.

Actual reference in NRSV is 2 Chr 17:16

Example 5:

9. (1 Chronicles 27:18). 11th century B.C.E.

Zichri was the father of Eliezer, the leader of the tribe of Reuben during the days of King David.


David Mandel, Who’s Who in the Jewish Bible (Philadelphia: The Jewish Publication Society, 2007), 416.

Actual reference in NRSV is 1 Chr 27:16

I think you can see why the "error" rate struck me as high and suspected some verse mapping error. Sorry that starting at the end and looking for Bible references not containing the person happened to hit Chronicles rather than the Ezra/Nehemiah errors I'd found early in the alphabet.

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MJ. Smith:

Example 5:

9. (1 Chronicles 27:18). 11th century B.C.E.

Zichri was the father of Eliezer, the leader of the tribe of Reuben during the days of King David.


David Mandel, Who’s Who in the Jewish Bible (Philadelphia: The Jewish Publication Society, 2007), 416.

Actual reference in NRSV is 1 Chr 27:16

I think you can see why the "error" rate struck me as high and suspected some verse mapping error.

I would initially suspect a verse mapping error, too, but these incorrect references are happening in chapters where there is no discrepancy between the BHS, JPS, and NRSV verse maps. (You can put them in the same linkset and see that they scroll in parallel with the same verse text and chapter & verse numbers.)

It seems like something else must be going on. I can alert our Content Production department.

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 15 2018 10:23 AM

Looks like the problem is with the print. If its a verse mapping problem they're using a verse map unfamiliar to us.

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 15 2018 11:50 AM

Here's a screenshot from Google Books.

Yellow highlight is where Logos correctly maps from BHS/JPS verse numbering to English. Red highlight is where the print is wrong (and faithfully reproduced in the Logos edition).

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 15 2018 12:29 PM

Thanks Bradley, Kyle, and Philana for looking into this. I am astonished at the rate of errors in the original book but certainly can't hold you responsible for it. I wonder if the publisher is aware of the problem.

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