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James C. | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 10:54 AM

Ok, I'm not sure what happened, but I can see all of my notebooks and the notes show up in the ESV. All I did was to close the program (again. I've done this a few times today). Then I tried to create a note in the ESV with the right click, but the "ESV Text Changes" notebook was not visible from the drop down menu. So, I used the "add a note" from the Notes menu and once I did that I looked and all my notes where there and visible. 

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William Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 10:57 AM

Jacob Carpenter (Faithlife):

William, is your app still syncing (indicated by the rotating arrows in the upper right)? When moving to L8, we do have to re-sync your notes content down because of various significant internal format changes. This operation can take a while if you have a lot of existing notes.

Thank you Jacob.  That's probably what it is since I just upgraded my mobile app.  Not sure how to check if it's syncing on the mobile app though.  I will update here later to let you know if everything is back to normal.

Thank you for your quick response.

FYI: I was trying to upgrade the desktop app but the download link appears to be broken. https://www.logos.com/cgi/DownloadFile.aspx?ID=280

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Jack Hairston | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 10:59 AM

Kyle B (Faithlife):

Notes got a major overhaul In Logos 8.

 

System: PC, Windows 10, Logos Connect, desktop

After reading the documentation and watching videos for Logos 8 (Thank you, Logos!) I am still unclear on the relationship of notes and anchors.

  • Is one a subset of the other?
  • How is an anchor different from linking a note to more than one text ("Edit Attachment Points")?
  • What does it mean that some anchors have already been created for some of my notes but not others?

The Notes function was what originally drove me to Logos, so I am highly motivated to understand this, my favorite function.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 11:00 AM

Jack Hairston:

Kyle B (Faithlife):

Notes got a major overhaul In Logos 8.

 

System: PC, Windows 10, Logos Connect, desktop

After reading the documentation and watching videos for Logos 8 (Thank you, Logos!) I am still unclear on the relationship of notes and anchors.

  • Is one a subset of the other?
  • How is an anchor different from linking a note to more than one text ("Edit Attachment Points")?
  • What does it mean that some anchors have already been created for some of my notes but not others?

The Notes function was what originally drove me to Logos, so I am highly motivated to understand this, my favorite function.

Think of an anchor as something you are attaching the note to. The note is the content you are creating, the anchor is what you are attaching that content to such as a reference, headword, lemma, etc.

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Alan Palmer (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 11:02 AM

Jack Hairston:
How is an anchor different from linking a note to more than one text ("Edit Attachment Points")?

Jack, they are not different. What L7 called "attachment points" is what is now called "anchor".

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Jack Hairston | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 11:16 AM

Alan Palmer (Faithlife):

Jack Hairston:
How is an anchor different from linking a note to more than one text ("Edit Attachment Points")?

Jack, they are not different. What L7 called "attachment points" is what is now called "anchor".

Now THAT was helpful. Thanks, Alan.

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William Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 1:08 PM

William Walker:

Jacob Carpenter (Faithlife):

William, is your app still syncing (indicated by the rotating arrows in the upper right)? When moving to L8, we do have to re-sync your notes content down because of various significant internal format changes. This operation can take a while if you have a lot of existing notes.

Thank you Jacob.  That's probably what it is since I just upgraded my mobile app.  Not sure how to check if it's syncing on the mobile app though.  I will update here later to let you know if everything is back to normal.

Thank you for your quick response.

FYI: I was trying to upgrade the desktop app but the download link appears to be broken. https://www.logos.com/cgi/DownloadFile.aspx?ID=280

I was finally able to download the Logos 8 desktop installer and when I started it up all of my highlights were present.  However, they were still missing from the mobile app.  I uninstalled the mobile app and re-installed it and then got a message that my notes were rebuilding and after that the highlights all showed up.  Will now work on getting my head around how the new notes work. Smile

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jonB | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 5:56 PM

How can we set the default note style? That's kinda an important time saving feature that looks like it's gone. Am I just missing it somehow?

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 6:26 PM

Currently there is no way to do this. However, this is on a list of upcoming features shown on this page 

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jonB | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 7:03 PM

That's a bummer. I feel like we do this at every upgrade with little things like this. We pay for upgrades that should be beta but aren't quit ready for the public yet.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 7:05 PM

jonB:

That's a bummer. I feel like we do this at every upgrade with little things like this. We pay for upgrades that should be beta but aren't quit ready for the public yet.

In fairness, this is the way it is when you early adopt a software. This was also documented in the FAQ's.

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jonB | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 8:32 PM

Yeah. That's true. And there's a lot here that I like in this update (workflows, really like the new ui and even the ways the notes are organized). But a few of these issues aren't new features that are buggy. They are existing features that disappeared or don't work anymore. It's just weird, that's all. No other software has features go away after an update and then come back. Imagine photoshop removing the crop tool for a few months. It just wouldn't happen. They'd get it working before the public release.

I have a workflow for sermon prep that now has to change because a few of these features in the notes stuff don't work anymore. I can no longer sort notes by reference. I can't have a. default note color and style. I can't export my notes. All three of those were features I used constantly.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 8:35 PM

jonB:

Yeah. That's true. And there's a lot here that I like in this update (workflows, really like the new ui and even the ways the notes are organized). But a few of these issues aren't new features that are buggy. They are existing features that disappeared or don't work anymore. It's just weird, that's all. No other software has features go away after an update and then come back. Imagine photoshop removing the crop tool for a few months. It just wouldn't happen. They'd get it working before the public release.

I have a workflow for sermon prep that now has to change because a few of these features in the notes stuff don't work anymore. I can no longer sort notes by reference. I can't have a. default note color and style. I can't export my notes. All three of those were features I used constantly.

That's understandable. And yes, some of this probably could have been communicated better on the front end.

I do have a question, what do you mean you can't export your notes?

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 8:35 PM

jonB:

Yeah. That's true. And there's a lot here that I like in this update (workflows, really like the new ui and even the ways the notes are organized). But a few of these issues aren't new features that are buggy. They are existing features that disappeared or don't work anymore. It's just weird, that's all. No other software has features go away after an update and then come back. Imagine photoshop removing the crop tool for a few months. It just wouldn't happen. They'd get it working before the public release.

I have a workflow for sermon prep that now has to change because a few of these features in the notes stuff don't work anymore. I can no longer sort notes by reference. I can't have a. default note color and style. I can't export my notes. All three of those were features I used constantly.

That's understandable. And yes, some of this probably could have been communicated better on the front end.

I do have a question, what do you mean you can't export your notes?

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jonB | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 8:46 PM

Oh - I was wrong about that one. That's good. I saw, "Export to / save as word list / passage list" on the list of coming features and read it as the export to pdf. But I just looked and the export to pdf still works.

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Jack Hairston | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 10:05 PM

jonB:

They are existing features that disappeared or don't work anymore. No other software has features go away after an update and then come back. 

  • I can no longer sort notes by reference.
  • I can't have a. default note color and style.
  • I can't export my notes.

All three of those were features I used constantly.

What JonB said.

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 11:50 PM

I don't have Logos 8 yet because like others in this thread Notes is extremely important to me and in following this and other Notes threads, I'm still confused about some of the basic workings of it. I've tried to read up everything I can, but there are still a few concepts I'm a bit fuzzy on. If anyone could help clarify this for me, I'd be very grateful.

My main question is what is the purpose of notebooks now. In L7 I had created notebooks (note files) to keep everything neatly organized. (e.g. a note file on all my thoughts on 1 Chronicles, a note file on all my thoughts on sermon prep, a note file on all my highlights from a specific commentary, etc.) However, now, it seems like everything gets placed into one big mega-notebook (called "no notebook") and you find what you need via searching and filters. Am I understanding this the right way? 

If so, what implications does this have for visual filters? If I make a highlight (or note) in a resource, which “default notebook” does that fall under so that I can select/deselect it from appearing in a resource via the visual filters?

If I should keep my practice of specific notebooks in order to be able to turn them on/off in the visual filter menu, then how do I select a that specific notebook during the note making process from the right click menu. The videos I saw only show “Add a note” and I assume it becomes a "no notebook" note. Am I required to then take the additional steps after each highlight/note of opening up the note took, finding the note, selecting a notebook, etc.?

I realize some of this may be intuitive if I already had L8, but I'm just a bit hesitant of taking the plunge until I really understand it.

Thanks in advance.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 1:10 AM

Ryan:
My main question is what is the purpose of notebooks now

There is an article on using notebooks at https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018492791 

Ryan:
However, now, it seems like everything gets placed into one big mega-notebook (called "no notebook") and you find what you need via searching and filters. Am I understanding this the right way? 

That is certainly one way of working - but it is also possible to create notebooks and assign notes to them, just as we put notes in Notes Documents in Logos 7. 

Ryan:
If so, what implications does this have for visual filters? If I make a highlight (or note) in a resource, which “default notebook” does that fall under so that I can select/deselect it from appearing in a resource via the visual filters?

As mentioned in the article I linked to above one of the reasons for using Notebooks is to enable this support. As you can see from the screenshot below it works in the same way - with the addition of "No notebook" being an option

Ryan:
If I should keep my practice of specific notebooks in order to be able to turn them on/off in the visual filter menu, then how do I select a that specific notebook during the note making process from the right click menu. The videos I saw only show “Add a note” and I assume it becomes a "no notebook" note. Am I required to then take the additional steps after each highlight/note of opening up the note took, finding the note, selecting a notebook, etc.?

If you have the notebook selected in the Notes Tool, then creating a note from the right-click menu will put the note in that notebook.

For highlighting you need to ensure that the palette-specific settings are set appropriately 

Ryan:
I realize some of this may be intuitive if I already had L8, but I'm just a bit hesitant of taking the plunge until I really understand it.

Totally understand - please post back with any further questions / concerns.

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Ryan | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 5:19 AM

Hi Graham,

Thank you for your reply. The fog is slowly starting to clear <smile>. If I'm understanding you correctly, it sounds like I would still want to keep using notebooks (as opposed to the "no notebook mega file") so I can turn them on/off individually in visual filters (as opposed to all or nothing). It also sounds like, just like in L7, the right click context menu only has an "add a note" option, and if I want to assign the note to a specific notebook, just like in L7, I have to first open that notebook up so that it is an option to select.

Am I understanding everything correctly thus far?

If so, my next question is in your photo above with the highlighter palette, I only see the options "no notebook" or "most recent notebook." However, in L7 I have it set to "Resource specific note file." This ensures that all my highlights go into that notebook. But I don't see a "Resource specific notebook" on your screenshot. Has it been removed? If so, does this mean we must select "most recent notebook" and then before every highlight, we have to first open the notebook we want before highlighting? That seems like a lot of work if you are highlighting multiple resources at the same time.

Am I understanding this correctly too?

I appreciate your help.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 5:54 AM

Ryan:
It also sounds like, just like in L7, the right click context menu only has an "add a note" option, and if I want to assign the note to a specific notebook, just like in L7, I have to first open that notebook up so that it is an option to select.

It's not that the notebook becomes an option to select - you still just get the Add Note option - but the note gets put into the currently selected notebook.

So with my "beta test" notebook selected in the Notes tool

clicking the "add note" option causes the resulting note to be placed in that notebook

Ryan:
Am I understanding everything correctly thus far?

With the above slight modification I believe so!

Ryan:
If so, my next question is in your photo above with the highlighter palette, I only see the options "no notebook" or "most recent notebook." However, in L7 I have it set to "Resource specific note file." This ensures that all my highlights go into that notebook. But I don't see a "Resource specific notebook" on your screenshot. Has it been removed? If so, does this mean we must select "most recent notebook" and then before every highlight, we have to first open the notebook we want before highlighting? That seems like a lot of work if you are highlighting multiple resources at the same time.

You are right - and I think the general recommendation is to not put highlights into notebooks but to use the Notes filtering capability to identify them.

So if I add a highlight to a couple of commentaries on John 1:14 - here I've just applied a blue highlight to the first sentence of each

Now using the filters for the book of John and just restricting the display to highlights I can see both of them are there and the resources they are associated with

Selecting one of those allows just looking at those specific highlights

This works well for finding notes / highlights in the Notes Tool but what it doesn't provide is a good mechanism for turning on / off those highlights when looking at them in resources.

You can do this in the "resource browser"

But I think it does leave a question about how we can most effectively display highlights in a specific resource and toggle them as required.

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