Bug(?) Unable to rename "My Passage Guide (x)" to "My Passage Guide"

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LimJK | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Oct 29 2018 7:09 PM

Hi,

Just started using Logos 8 few hours ago.

I started by editing "My Passage Guide" to see if there is any new sections I should add, after that I noticed that Logos forced a suffix and named it as "My Passage Guide (2)". So I decided to delete "My Passage Guide (2)" to reconstruct a new "My Passage Guide" ... Logos forced its name to "My Passage Guide (3)"

When I run Home Page Passage Guide from the Command Box ... it does not pick up "My Passage Guide" as it does not existSad

As I am new to Logos 8, just like to find out if I missed something obvious. Thanks.

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In Logos 7, you were forced to create a Passage Guide named "My Passage Guide" in order to have it replace the default system Passage Guide. Now the system takes care of that behind the scenes for you. You can find your "My Passage Guide" by running or editing the default system "Passage Guide". If you ever want to revert back to the system guide, you can right-click on it in the Guides menu.

I hope that helps explain things.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2018 7:47 PM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

In Logos 7, you were forced to create a Passage Guide named "My Passage Guide" in order to have it replace the default system Passage Guide. Now the system takes care of that behind the scenes for you. You can find your "My Passage Guide" by running or editing the default system "Passage Guide". If you ever want to revert back to the system guide, you can right-click on it in the Guides menu.

I hope that helps explain things.

FWIW I prefer the old way of having the one I want the software to default to called "My Passage Guide" that allows me to keep one that is a system default and if FL makes any changes I don't have to either a) lose my custom guide or b) try and figure out what is new to add it to my guide. I can compare the two side by side.

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LimJK | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 1:21 AM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

In Logos 7, you were forced to create a Passage Guide named "My Passage Guide" in order to have it replace the default system Passage Guide. Now the system takes care of that behind the scenes for you. You can find your "My Passage Guide" by running or editing the default system "Passage Guide". If you ever want to revert back to the system guide, you can right-click on it in the Guides menu.

I hope that helps explain things.

Andrew,

Thanks for the explanation ... after playing around with it for a little while, I think the new design appears to be more logical Smile to make adjustment to the "Passage Guide" the way I wanted it, and have the ability to revert back to the default system "Passage Guide"

However, I still have some concern about renaming of other Customised Passage Guide, some how Logos knows that I have an existing "My Passage Guide" and automatically forced a name with suffix such as "My Passage Guide (2)" and subsequently "My Passage Guide (3)". I appreciate that you are trying to protect me from finger errors ... is there a way around it? I just want the Customised Passage Guide without the prefix (x) .... Thanks.

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LimJK:
However, I still have some concern about renaming of other Customised Passage Guide, some how Logos knows that I have an existing "My Passage Guide" and automatically forced a name with suffix such as "My Passage Guide (2)" and subsequently "My Passage Guide (3)". I appreciate that you are trying to protect me from finger errors ... is there a way around it? I just want the Customised Passage Guide without the prefix (x) ...

Behind the scenes, the "My Passage Guide" name is still in use by your customization of the system Passage Guide. This was done to maintain compatibility with older versions of the software where you will still see that custom guide appear separately. Unfortunately, you'll need to find a different name for your customized guide.

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LimJK | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 6:31 AM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

Behind the scenes, the "My Passage Guide" name is still in use by your customization of the system Passage Guide. This was done to maintain compatibility with older versions of the software where you will still see that custom guide appear separately. Unfortunately, you'll need to find a different name for your customized guide.

Andrew,

Thank you for your explanation, understand now, I just need to delete my old "My Passage Guide" and avoid using this name Smile still learning Smile

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 10 2019 12:28 AM

For the first time in Logos 8, I've tried to edit my custom Bible Word Study, and I'm confused.

In my Custom Guides, I ended up with both a My Bible Word Study (2), a Copy of My Bible Word Study, and now a Copy of My Bible Word Study (2). And I still haven't managed to actually make changes to the existing Guide.

When I click to edit my guide, everything looks fine. But as soon as I drag in a new section, the title changes to Copy of My Bible Word Study (3).

What am I doing wrong?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 11 2019 2:42 AM

Mark Barnes:
In my Custom Guides, I ended up with both a My Bible Word Study (2), a Copy of My Bible Word Study, and now a Copy of My Bible Word Study (2). And I still haven't managed to actually make changes to the existing Guide.

When you try to make changes to "Passage Guide" by using its right-click Edit, it gives you "Copy of My Passage Guide". Repeating that gets you "Copy of My Passage Guide (2)", etc. If you rename a custom guide to "My Passage Guide" you get "My Passage Guide (2)". If you name a new custom guide "My Passage Guide" you get "My Passage Guide (2)"!

To "customize" a standard guide (e.g. Bible Word Study), open it and make the changes! Otherwise, create a new Guide from the New button in the Guides menu - but don't name it "My ....." as you would in Logos 7. The standard guides in L8 are already customized from any "My ...Guide" or "My Bible Word Study" that you had in L7, and have that name under the hood; which is why you end up with (2), (3) suffixes.

I don't know why the standard guides have an Edit or Edit this guide in their menus, as it just creates confusion.

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Mark Barnes:
What am I doing wrong?

Nothing. This looks like a bug. I'll write up a case.

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Matt Hamrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 12 2019 9:16 AM

After learning about this behavior in the few days when Logos 8 was released I have since learned for the passage guide and probably other guides add or remove things within the guide and the guide will remember instead of editing the guide which will create the copy.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 12 2019 2:12 PM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
Nothing. This looks like a bug. I'll write up a case.

For what, though? Earlier, you indicated that you should avoid naming a guide with the My prefix. And "Copy of ..." appears whenever you make a change to a standard guide via  Edit  or Edit this guide.

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Dave Hooton:
Earlier, you indicated that you should avoid naming a guide with the My prefix.

I don't see where I explicitly stated this. It's not so much that you should avoid it as you can't name using the standard guide name with a "My" prefix. The system won't let you.

Dave Hooton:
And "Copy of ..." appears whenever you make a change to a standard guide via  Edit  or Edit this guide.

This is the bug. You should be able to use the Guide editor tool to make changes to a system guide.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 12 2019 2:41 PM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
I don't see where I explicitly stated this. It's not so much that you should avoid it as you can't name using the standard guide name with a "My" prefix. The system won't let you.

I was trying to clarify what is the bug, as it could have been "My ..." or "Copy of..." from Mark's post in isolation.

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danwdoo | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 9 2019 12:18 AM

Has this been addressed, or are we still unable to edit the default guide. I want to change the default passage guide, but haven't been able to get it to work.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 9 2019 12:58 AM

danwdoo:

Has this been addressed, or are we still unable to edit the default guide. I want to change the default passage guide, but haven't been able to get it to work.

I'm not sure what you are referring to in that the default guide is left in the state we last left it - edited or original ...I use the "add" in the upper right or the delete on the section not the edit function.

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Philana R. Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 16 2019 4:01 PM

Mark Barnes:

For the first time in Logos 8, I've tried to edit my custom Bible Word Study, and I'm confused.

In my Custom Guides, I ended up with both a My Bible Word Study (2), a Copy of My Bible Word Study, and now a Copy of My Bible Word Study (2). And I still haven't managed to actually make changes to the existing Guide.

When I click to edit my guide, everything looks fine. But as soon as I drag in a new section, the title changes to Copy of My Bible Word Study (3).

What am I doing wrong?

This has been fixed in 8.4.

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Bob Soule | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 24 2020 3:27 PM

Philana R. Crouch:

This has been fixed in 8.4

I am still seeing this issue in 8.10. Anytime I try and name a custom Guide to "My Passage Guide" it get renamed to what you see below.

 

Any name I use that begins with "My" the system adds (X) at the end..

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Bob Soule:
I am still seeing this issue in 8.10. Any time I try and name a custom Guide to "My Passage Guide" it get renamed to what you see below.

The behavior that was fixed was:

Dave Hooton:
And "Copy of ..." appears whenever you make a change to a standard guide via  Edit  or Edit this guide.

What you are seeing is the expected behavior.

As stated above:

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
you can't name using the standard guide name with a "My" prefix. The system won't let you.

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Bob Soule | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 24 2020 3:56 PM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):

Bob Soule:
I am still seeing this issue in 8.10. Any time I try and name a custom Guide to "My Passage Guide" it get renamed to what you see below.

The behavior that was fixed was:

Dave Hooton:
And "Copy of ..." appears whenever you make a change to a standard guide via  Edit  or Edit this guide.

What you are seeing is the expected behavior.

As stated above:

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
you can't name using the standard guide name with a "My" prefix. The system won't let you.

So you can't go to a custom Guide from the CMD box? I was going from the following wiki page:

https://wiki.logos.com/Guides__

at the bottom it says this:

And if you prefix the name with “My” e.g. My Passage Guide, Logos recognizes the name and uses it from the Home Page when you enter a word or scripture reference in the Go box. The guide also appears in the right-click Context menu.

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The wiki is user-maintained documentation, and it appears that the information there is out of date. There is no longer any need for this. You can now directly customize the system-defined guides without the workaround of using the "My" prefix.

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