Initial Reaction to L8?

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Batman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 7:58 AM

That's always possible. 
It may not be profitable enough?

Dave Hooton:

Mike Pettit:
The lack of visibility of the subscriptions on the website suggests that Logos does not really know where to go with them.

Or Faithlife don't want to push subscription as much with Logos 8?

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Mark Batten | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 8:03 AM
I agree. I used to see excerpts of books from my library, titles from my library, and other media but now all I see are resources for sale. Yes, there is the occasional blog or technical post but I really don't like or need all of the marketing on the Home page.
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Batman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 8:11 AM

John,

Under the "Gear" icon, there appears to be a column setting. I'm not sure if it works or does anything. But it is there, and may be an indication it is coming soon, if not yet available.

John Goodman:

So far I'm very pleased and see a lot of potential.

I think the web app is coming of age though I wish for 4 columns and a full page library view... with 7000 resources that little box is useless.

The desktop app feels significantly faster.

Notes became useful!

There is a lot in here which I think will help beginners and that is very important but not so much for those of us who know the software well or have established study habits.

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Batman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 8:16 AM

Donovan

Thank you. I am not well versed in these features, because I've been to frustrated to use most of these. Kind of sad, really. But, unfortunately, rather than being a wonderful tool, Logos had become a huge money sucking pit, with more frustration than an asset. L8 seems to be heading in the right direction; and since the inclusion of more free and helpful tutorials in L7, it's becoming more of an asset. 
I appreciate some one who is more understanding of these features adding their thoughts. Thanks.

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 8:16 AM

This is the first time that I upgraded without a major resource purchase. 

I did purchase a package, but the least expensive package I have ever purchased.  I had the Logos 7 Portfolio, and I "upgraded" to the Baptist Gold package.  It cost me $612, gave me all the features and a some good  resources, while staying within my budget.  I am happy with the purchase.

It will take me a little time to get used to Logos 8.  I am not a subscriber, and I do not intend to become one.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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Batman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 8:24 AM

Sean

Sorry to see you scratched the subscription. Now, I don't know if it's worth getting back. Sad 

L7 wasn't much of an upgrade over L4, really. I had a hard enough time with L3. L4 was a huge upgrade (or downgrade, depending on your perspective) over L3. So, in all honesty, even though I personally did not like 4,5,6 or 7 a whole lot (altho, I honestly have tried) this, to me, is a very user friendly version, and what should have been since L1 (not that I know what L1 or 2 was like). 

At this point, my biggest gripe came this morning, when I discovered that the Home Page does not allow for us to remove the ads. I do not really appreciate my Bible as being a billboard. That's what the emails are for. 

Otherwise, this may be a huge improvement.

Sean:

I've not upgraded yet.

I was rather disappointed with L7--it really wasn't much of an upgrade over 6. I thought L8 would take the same incremental approach, so I was fairly indifferent about its imminent arrival.

What I've seen of 8 so far exceeds my expectations. It looks like FL has really taken to heart a lot of requests users made for improved workflow and UI. As a theologian, I'm cautiously optimistic about the Theology Guide tool. And I'm ecstatic about the reports of improvement in performance.

Like I said, I haven't upgraded yet. I had my doubts about doing so; at this point, though, it looks like I'll be (somewhat) gladly spending a fair bit more than I had initially planned. Though perhaps I'll wait until 8.1 rolls out before doing so...

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 8:32 AM

Batman:
the Home Page does not allow for us to remove the ads

I've seen a number of references to this but I don't understand it!

What ads are you seeing?

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Batman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 8:37 AM

Here's the problem I have had since my first day:
I can Google a reference much faster than I could ever in Logos. I can even find a passage in hard copy faster.
Now, that is sad. So, for 9 to 10 years, I have pretty much done the exact opposite of what Logos was supposed to do. I decreased my Bible usage. Tremendously. Sadly, I had other software that was so simple to use, that using Logos was a drudgery. Sure, I could have spent another $450 to take Morris' DVD courses, or spend even more to go to a not so local seminar. But, WHY? I find that entire thing an abomination. If the software is so difficult to use that it requires a $450 seminar, to even be able to use a $600-10,000 Bible software program, there is a serious flaw. And, if one can find a Bible passage faster manually, in a hard copy of the Bible, in hand, there's a huge problem. (Kudos to those who are able to use the software, but, I cannot see a Bible that is more complicated than Logos is). 

I am extremely pleased that L8 brings up passages extremely fast. Instantaneously, really. And with the inclusion of more free videos that started appearing in L7, I am beginning to get excited that I might actually enjoy my Bible, once again. And might actually use it.

If only they allow us to dump the pollution of the ads.

Good luck with L8.


Cynthia in Florida:

I have long thought (and said) that Logos is a Bible study tool that does nothing to teach the user how to study the Bible.  Like MJ, I believe this release is a step in correcting that, and I too am very excited.

I started with Logos 4 (I think), and to be honest, I found 6 frustrating and as for L7...well I almost quit.  I thought everything about L7 was designed without one thought of the average user, and I am an very simple, average user.  However, with version 8, I see the attempts to make the program more intuitive and user friendly.  Is it perfect? Of course not, but I'm encouraged that it's at least a step in the right direction.  If version 8 was more of version 7, I would have been done with spending another penny and cut my losses.  However, I truly believe, for the first time in years, that I can recommend L8 to individuals, and with just a little push, they could be using the program out the gate! 

For a Bible study teacher of a large women's class, I'm constantly asked where I get "all this information from," and even though I told them, I sent them over to another free software program if they were looking to get their feet wet. Now,  I honestly feel I can recommend the program because , at the very least, they could get started with workflows.  Further, the search feature, which I understand for the power users feels "unusable and incomplete" is heaven for the likes of us who know nothing about typing out a search with all those funky data operators { = + AND OR WITHIN < > } blah blah blah.  I see the search templates as sufficient to get "the little guy" started but has potential to grow for the above average user.

I am hopeful, and as someone who almost lost all hope that I could ever find this program anything less than frustrating, hope is good.  It's very, very good!

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Batman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 8:40 AM

Dave,

From what I (mis)understand, this is an early release, and Nov. 5th they'll roll out the full project. Not sure if that is still the case or what. But, I do hope some more tweaks will be rolled out for everyone. 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 8:43 AM

Batman:
From what I (mis)understand, this is an early release, and Nov. 5th they'll roll out the full project. Not sure if that is still the case or what. But, I do hope some more tweaks will be rolled out for everyone. 

No that isn't the case.

There is an option for Faithlife Connect users to "hold back" on doing the upgrade until Nov 5th to consider options but the software that is available to purchase today is the full Logos 8.0 product.

There will be 8.1 (etc) on six week release cycles but that's different

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Batman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 8:44 AM

Dennis
I just discovered that this morning. Well, that we cannot zap the ads. 
Yet. 
At least I am hoping this is a "yet". The last thing I need in my Bible is a barrage of freeway billboards flying at me at every turn. I realize some may appreciate them. That's fine for them. Me, I find it disgusting, and we should have the option to eliminate them. 

Dennis Phelps:

The "Explore" section of the Home Page seems clunky and a massive promotional billboard rather than a "USA Today" newspaper design. In L7 the user could determine the inclusion of such content on the Home Page. Until this option for the user to edit/manage the Home Page Logos-promo content, the Home Page seems to have lost significant functionality appropriate for each individual user, reflecting their particular interests, skills, and patterns. For the time being, I guess I will simply skip the Home Page content.

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Batman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 9:03 AM

Graham

Every pitch to sell a book, collection, etc. on the Home page. 
On my "Home Page" it starts out with the 10 Day Reading Plan. I think that is ok, and not an ad. Then the Morris tidbit tutorial videos. Definitely helpful. Then an option to download the app (technically an ad, but, maybe acceptable). Then a slew of Prepub, Community Pricing ads,An offer to browse the Christian Ebooks on Leadership & Finances, A Proclaim Blog, pretending to be a blog, but looks to be another item to suck more money, ie, ad,2 more prepub ads, a Lexham Press New Release ad, several community pricing ads, a John McArthur sermon sell (which I have very little respect for, knowing his priority is raising funds. A friend of mine graduated from his college, and they actually did an offering collection. But I won't trash him more than that here). There's more prepub and CP offers, and a Faithlife TV ad. One is actually an ad, while another is a video; that I am not referring. And sadly, I am just about a third to 40% of the way through. It's sickening and disgusting to me, and a huge chunk of everything  I have hated about Logos over the past decade, all crammed into my Home Page, with (at this point) NO option to annihilate them. 

If you are not receiving them, PLEASE let us know how this was done. Support says that at this time there is nothing that can be done. Even more disgusting, because for all the flaws of previous versions, we were at least able to disable them. 

Graham Criddle:

Batman:
the Home Page does not allow for us to remove the ads

I've seen a number of references to this but I don't understand it!

What ads are you seeing?

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Batman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 9:05 AM

Ok, so, then I did misunderstand? 
In that case, I do hope 8.1 fixes some of the things people are needing fixed and the ability to remove the ads. 

Graham Criddle:

Batman:
From what I (mis)understand, this is an early release, and Nov. 5th they'll roll out the full project. Not sure if that is still the case or what. But, I do hope some more tweaks will be rolled out for everyone. 

No that isn't the case.

There is an option for Faithlife Connect users to "hold back" on doing the upgrade until Nov 5th to consider options but the software that is available to purchase today is the full Logos 8.0 product.

There will be 8.1 (etc) on six week release cycles but that's different

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Dennis Phelps | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 9:06 AM

To Graham Criddle:

Q: "Are you seeing something different? Or is it those you would rather not see?"

A: I am seeing something very different. Multiple Logos ads promoting products, as well as links to blogs, sales, etc. Many screens worth of promotion.

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 9:41 AM

Batman:

Every pitch to sell a book, collection, etc. on the Home page. 
On my "Home Page" it starts out with the 10 Day Reading Plan. I think that is ok, and not an ad. Then the Morris tidbit tutorial videos. Definitely helpful. Then an option to download the app (technically an ad, but, maybe acceptable). Then a slew of Prepub, Community Pricing ads,An offer to browse the Christian Ebooks on Leadership & Finances, A Proclaim Blog, pretending to be a blog, but looks to be another item to suck more money, ie, ad,2 more prepub ads, a Lexham Press New Release ad, several community pricing ads, a John McArthur sermon sell (which I have very little respect for, knowing his priority is raising funds. A friend of mine graduated from his college, and they actually did an offering collection. But I won't trash him more than that here). There's more prepub and CP offers, and a Faithlife TV ad. One is actually an ad, while another is a video; that I am not referring. And sadly, I am just about a third to 40% of the way through. It's sickening and disgusting to me, and a huge chunk of everything  I have hated about Logos over the past decade, all crammed into my Home Page, with (at this point) NO option to annihilate them. 

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As explained here we hope to provide customization of the Explore section of the Home Page with the 8.1 release.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 9:58 AM

Dennis Phelps:

Q: "Are you seeing something different? Or is it those you would rather not see?"

A: I am seeing something very different. Multiple Logos ads promoting products, as well as links to blogs, sales, etc. Many screens worth of promotion.

Thanks Dennis

As Sean points out there are plans to address this in 8.1

To explain why I was asking the question all I see in the Explore section of my homepage is as shown below

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 10:44 AM

Graham Criddle:
To explain why I was asking the question all I see in the Explore section of my homepage is as shown below

Interesting, Graham. I wish my Explore section would show all those videos.

(Is there a web page that lists all the L8 videos? I looked at Logos Pro but couldn't find them there.)

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 10:46 AM

PetahChristian:
(Is there a web page that lists all the L8 videos? I looked at Logos Pro but couldn't find them there.)

https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/categories/360000675231 could be a good place to start.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 10:52 AM

Seventeen of the first 41 tiles in my Explore panel were advertising. I will turn those streams off first when customization comes to the Home Page.

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Oct 30 2018 11:03 AM

Sean Boisen:
As explained here we hope to provide customization of the Explore section of the Home Page with the 8.1 release.

Home is way, way too overwhelming, with far too many squares of information.  I'm sure glad FL will allow us to customize; I can thus remove the coloured noise.

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