Deleting L8 and reinstalling 7

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Nov 15 2018 4:59 AM

Has anyone deleted 8 and reinstalled 7- if so what issues did you encounter.

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2018 5:05 AM

If you have the 7 exe install file could you share it- I cannot find mine in downloads.

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Levi Durfey | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2018 6:04 AM

Is this what you are looking for? https://www.logos.com/install-logos-7

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2018 6:30 AM

Whyndell Grizzard:

Has anyone deleted 8 and reinstalled 7- if so what issues did you encounter.

There'll be no issues — except you may find you still have access to the new notes tool in L7 (because you have a licence for it with your L8 purchase). If so, enter set prefer notes tool to no in the command bar.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2018 6:39 AM

Whyndell Grizzard:

Has anyone deleted 8 and reinstalled 7- if so what issues did you encounter.

I did. During the Private Beta I ran Logos 8 and Verbum 7 in parallel. Nearing the Go-Live date, the Verbum 7 beta installation downloaded the upgrade to version 8 and updated to 8. I uninstalled it and redownloaded Verbum 7 from an engine-link.

Issues: None. I run both in parallel installations - mainly to help users in the forum who are stuck with an L7 issue, and to have a reference for discussions in the L8 beta forum when people talk about bringing back a certain feature and my memory is too unreliable to tell how it was back then in L7.

Nuisances: Subsequent to install of 7, download & index of my whole library (I didn't use the methods for duplicating the library locally since possibly books etc. from my L8 install would have been non-working on 7). I then turned automatic updates off and set update channel to manual - otherwise it would migrate automatically to 8 again. To avoid that and have full update, one could possibly give back to CS the L8 license(s). 

Experiences: My Verbum 7 is partly synced (such as the Notes, but also library metadata and layouts), partly stuck in time, with lots of helpful books I acquired with L8 Base packages not automatically syncing through (as well as program updates to Logos/Verbum 7, should FL release such). I could bring books over from my parallel L8 installation by using the scan command - as long as they don't use L8-specifics - this is because I run both in parallel. Someone with only a Logos 7 install would not have this ability (but in case of license return wouldn't need it).

Why I would not recommend this: 7 is going the way of the Dodo, 8 is the future. Early in 2019 the Logos 8 engine will be free, and a large majority of users will switch over (faster and snappier behavior, cool new features) and 7 will remain for some time in maintenance mode. But books will be produced for L8, forum discussions will assume L8 and those MVPs like me who are still running 7 will delete or upgrade their installs - which then gives me the chance to see Logos and Verbum, run stable and beta, having two different language UIs visible - and thus forum support for 7 will weaken. L8 on the other hand will grow and continue to bring some of the old and new stuff that didn't make the production release.

Running Logos 8 latest beta version on Win 10

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2018 6:43 AM

Whyndell Grizzard:

Has anyone deleted 8 and reinstalled 7- if so what issues did you encounter.

If have adequate storage, an alternative idea is installing Verbum 7 so can use Verbum 7 and Logos 8 at the same time (OR Verbum 8 and Logos 7).

Logos wiki => Installation and Indexing Questions includes download links for 8 & 7

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2018 6:51 AM

NB.Mick:
But books will be produced for L8, forum discussions will assume L8 and those MVPs like me who are still running 7 will delete or upgrade their installs - which then gives me the chance to see Logos and Verbum, run stable and beta, having two different language UIs visible - and thus forum support for 7 will weaken.

Currently have Logos 8 & Logos 7 on different computers with my purchased library with Verbum 7 with my demonstration library (order total of $ 0.00). After Faithlife drops support for Logos 7 & Verbum 7, plan to migrate all my installations to 8 (may migrate sooner with 8 free release early next year).

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2018 11:30 PM

NB.Mick:
Why I would not recommend this: 7 is going the way of the Dodo, 8 is the future. Early in 2019 the Logos 8 engine will be free, and a large majority of users will switch over (faster and snappier behavior, cool new features) and 7 will remain for some time in maintenance mode. But books will be produced for L8, forum discussions will assume L8

I really want to emphasise this point.

Logos 8 is here to stay, and Logos 7 will be unsupported “soon” (no, I'm not giving a date, but it will be in 2019), just like Logos 6 and 5 and 4 before it. You won't be able to get support for Logos 7, it may not work correctly on the latest versions of Windows 10 or macOS, it won't read the latest books, it won't get any more bug fixes, etc.

Logos 8 is the future, and now is the time to identify specific problems you're having so they can be fixed in 8.1, 8.2, etc. Ignoring Logos 8 and sticking with Logos 7 is not a viable long-term solution.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 15 2018 11:50 PM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
Logos 8 is here to stay, and Logos 7 will be unsupported “soon” (no, I'm not giving a date, but it will be in 2019), just like Logos 6 and 5 and 4 before it.

Don't sweat this too much. I use L3 every day because FL doesn't care about what I need to be able to upgrade to the latest version...and I get by. I run L7, but mostly just to access books I don't have in L3. There are a few searches I do in L7, but most of my study in in L3. It's scary, since I am depending on my old system to not give up the ghost. But everything's okay right now.

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
You won't be able to get support for Logos 7, it may not work correctly on the latest versions of Windows 10 or macOS, it won't read the latest books, it won't get any more bug fixes, etc.

Yeah, the sky could fall, but L3 isn't supposed to work on Win10 and yet IT DOES...albeit, with a few annoying issues. It's much slower on my newer system (go figure). The point is, you can get by. You said you've got about $50K dumped in Logos. Same here...don't expect that to mean much, though. Like I said, they simply don't care if you are a top tier customer. I was set to move on the Ultimate package, but I saw a video that showed notes in action, and yeah...they still don't do what I need, and they never will. Am I shocked that a good customer is completely dissed and ignored? Yeah, actually I am. But I've had a decade of being ignored to get used to it, and besides being permanently cranky, as long as L3 works for me, I'm okay.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 16 2018 12:07 AM

David Paul:

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
Logos 8 is here to stay, and Logos 7 will be unsupported “soon” (no, I'm not giving a date, but it will be in 2019), just like Logos 6 and 5 and 4 before it.

Don't sweat this too much. I use L3 every day because FL doesn't care about what I need to be able to upgrade to the latest version...and I get by. I run L7, but mostly just to access books I don't have in L3. There are a few searches I do in L7, but most of my study in in L3. It's scary, since I am depending on my old system to not give up the ghost. But everything's okay right now.

But there is a difference here.

L4, as you know, was a major change from L3 and is effectively a different engine. L5-L8 are developments of that new engine. So if you have an L8 licence, are running L7 and have your system connected to the Internet you have to work very hard to get new resources downloaded to that platform while continuing to run L7. The same is not true for the L3 system.

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 16 2018 1:12 AM

Levi Durfey:

Is this what you are looking for? https://www.logos.com/install-logos-7

Thanks that was it going to reinstall it today on a second machine- test run it.

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 16 2018 2:33 AM

L8 where to start-

don't like notes- so I don't use them- the only thing that appears in them from my use is "highlights"

Workflow- very basic have no use for them- even after experimenting with them

Doc's- the only thing there is my diagrams- so their safe for the time being

Appearance- do not like the new ui- still having to adjust the look of every resource some appear smaller, others ok- but having to set scaling at 90/ 110 still doesn't eliminate that issue.

Highlights still no way to delete a highlight pallet and everywhere it has been applied without spending hours tracking down all the locations

"others" why is this shows in my program under notes- I don't want to see others- really

Home page- explore section- is what I don't want- this should have been in the first release to get rid of the unwanted ad's and other unnecessary items

Honestly- L8 has not impressed me all that much other than it is responding faster

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 16 2018 2:59 AM

Whyndell Grizzard:
Honestly- L8 has not impressed me all that much other than it is responding faster

I learned a very important life lesson in poetry workshops. The rule was that you had to say one positive thing for each negative thing you said. Amazing what such a constraint does for one's attitude - and how it increases one's appreciation for equanimity and patience. You've said little negative that wasn't said at some point by the beta testers ... they persevered and gained an appreciation for its positives. The main disadvantage in retreating to Logos 7 is that you are only delaying your upgrade and perhaps making it more traumatic depending upon when and how you are forced forward. 

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 16 2018 3:15 AM

MJ there's no doubt I will be "forced" to move forward, or at least what they perceive as forward- but when I have spent a small fortune on a resource and it morphs into something that I believe is counter intuitive - I speak up- and rather plainly. This is a product they sell and make money on- its not like I can go down to the corner dealership and trade L8 in for another model by a different mfg- no I'm stuck with this with a rather large investment- so my opinion- is that mine- its not poetical, philosophical, nor pretty- but there it is- plainly stated.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 16 2018 5:10 AM

David Paul:

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
Logos 8 is here to stay, and Logos 7 will be unsupported “soon” (no, I'm not giving a date, but it will be in 2019), just like Logos 6 and 5 and 4 before it.

Don't sweat this too much. I use L3 every day because FL doesn't care about what I need to be able to upgrade to the latest version...and I get by. I run L7, but mostly just to access books I don't have in L3. There are a few searches I do in L7, but most of my study in in L3. It's scary, since I am depending on my old system to not give up the ghost. But everything's okay right now.

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
You won't be able to get support for Logos 7, it may not work correctly on the latest versions of Windows 10 or macOS, it won't read the latest books, it won't get any more bug fixes, etc.

Yeah, the sky could fall, but L3 isn't supposed to work on Win10 and yet IT DOES...albeit, with a few annoying issues. It's much slower on my newer system (go figure). The point is, you can get by. You said you've got about $50K dumped in Logos. Same here...don't expect that to mean much, though. Like I said, they simply don't care if you are a top tier customer. I was set to move on the Ultimate package, but I saw a video that showed notes in action, and yeah...they still don't do what I need, and they never will. Am I shocked that a good customer is completely dissed and ignored? Yeah, actually I am. But I've had a decade of being ignored to get used to it, and besides being permanently cranky, as long as L3 works for me, I'm okay.

Libby wasn't happy the sky might still fall .... it's right there in her Bible!  But enjoyed the morning poetry to the best ever Bible software. 

My current 'decision' is I'll upgrade when they deliver a good search UI.  Like Mr Paul, I use L7 as an also-ran.


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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 16 2018 1:03 PM

Why do you want to go back?  I asked the same question just now.  Actually I asked if I could run both as separate programs.  The answer was no.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 16 2018 2:34 PM

Larry Craig:

Why do you want to go back?  I asked the same question just now.  Actually I asked if I could run both as separate programs.  The answer was no.

Correct, L5 automatically overwrites L4...L6 overwrites L4 & L5...L7 overwrites L4, L5, & L6...and L8 overwrites L4-7...BUT!!!...

L3, as Graham pointed out above, was a completely different engine, so you CAN run L3 with whatever newer version you might have, side-by-side with no conflict or problem. They actually work pretty well together. Still, I would prefer that L3's unique features could be included with the current version. My life would be much simpler and less worrisome. As it is, I'm left being a squeaky wheel that's just squeaking louder and more frequently.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 16 2018 2:52 PM

Larry Craig:

Why do you want to go back?  I asked the same question just now.  Actually I asked if I could run both as separate programs.  The answer was no.

You can run Logos 7 and Verbum 8 (or vice versa). It’s twice the disk space, of course. You can also run two version in two different user accounts.

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Houseonarock | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 16 2018 6:23 PM

I was told a long time ago that Faith Life was a business.  Thus the profit motive governs everything. Yet they choose to get into the presentation of God's word using technology.  Not realising  that the Godly principle to do no harm applies to them. There is also a book of remembrance in heaven.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 16 2018 10:55 PM

Houseonarock:

I was told a long time ago that Faith Life was a business.  Thus the profit motive governs everything. Yet they choose to get into the presentation of God's word using technology.  Not realising  that the Godly principle to do no harm applies to them. There is also a book of remembrance in heaven.

And this adds to the discussion of running 7 or 7+8 how? You do not know the hearts of the owners. Please remember that the living room of the guidelines may be the owners'.

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