Fifth Edition (UBS5) w/ Critical Apparatus vs Nestle-Aland 28th Edition, w/ Critical Apparatus

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Judson s | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Dec 8 2018 1:36 PM

I'm currently using printed editions of both of these. I am seeking to purchase an electronic version; however, I have the following questions:

  1. Do they both operate the same? The video showing "how to use" NA28 is very good and thorough; however, the UBS5 doesn't have a video showing how to use it. Therefore, is the UBS5 only text, or does it link words, variants, and definitions like the NA28 video? 
  2. Do I need to purchase a lexicons or anything else to have the NA28 or UBS5 work as featured in the NA28 video? Or does it include all the resources needed to utilize the tool as featured in the video?
  3. I really like the UBS5 print edition, more than the NA28 (not 100% sure why, but I find it easier). Does anyone have any preferences when using digital vs. printed? 

Thank you all in advance!

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 8 2018 3:38 PM

Well, first, NA28 and UBS5 should be the same, if I remember right. Historically, they varied a bit. And in Logos, they operate the same (your video).

The difference is the apparatus for each. One is oriented toward the associated manuscripts (NA28), the other toward cross-NT usage, as well as early church usage (UBS5). 

In Logos you can buy UBS5 w/o the apparatus (no varients) or with. NA28 is sold with, last I checked. I have both ... the apparatus being the key.

None of the greek NTs include lexicons; you'd need to buy that also. Depending on your budget, please ask. Most recommend BDAG but a pretty penney. The package:

https://www.logos.com/product/165461/logos-8-academic-essentials 

is good ... doesn't have NA28 or UBS5 apparatus ... but a good grouping. 

The SESB package is a good apparatus combo:

https://www.logos.com/product/55088/stuttgart-scholarly-editions-core-bundle 

I can't imagine a printed greek NT and a digital one ... the power of Logos tools is over-whelming.


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Judson s | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 8 2018 8:03 PM

I just want to make sure, that I can click on the symbol in the text to highlight the variant. Then click the Variant for its definition and its manuscript. 

Are there any links to the actual manuscript like in Bibleworks? 

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Judson s | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 8 2018 9:09 PM

Curious - which do you prefer? USB 5 or NA28 on Logos; and why?

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Puddin’ | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 9 2018 12:43 AM

I have both and I am more accustomed to NA28 (if I need to look at the parsing pop-up), but I like the apparatus in UBS-5.  Personally, I think it’s good to have both for comparisons when writing papers, etc.

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Phil Tuften | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 9 2018 12:52 AM

The other way you could do it is the scholar collection by the German Bible Society, this will get you the NA 28 and the 5 UBS both with apparatus at

more reasonable cost and then spring for the essential academic collection,  For the scholar collection search for NA 28 and this will come up in the right hand margin.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 9 2018 1:04 AM

Judson s:

I just want to make sure, that I can click on the symbol in the text to highlight the variant. Then click the Variant for its definition and its manuscript. 

Are there any links to the actual manuscript like in Bibleworks? 

Here's an example in NA28

It's also worth keeping a linked copy of the Exegetical Guide open (bottom right) to give you one-click access to apparatus, textual commentaries, different editions, etc

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 9 2018 1:08 AM

And here's UBS5

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Kevin Wang | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 9 2018 1:59 AM

Since the NA28 and UBS5 text is the same, if you just want the latest critical greek text, then get the UBS5 without the apparatus. If you want to eventually get into textual critical issues, then the NA28 is a necessary purchase. 

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Lew Worthington | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 9 2018 8:32 AM

For an apparatus on steroids, Center for New Testament Textual Studies' New Testament Critical Apparatus. Here's the first of five main variants listed for John 1:3:

This is not exactly what the OP was asking about, but it gives a sense about the abbreviated nature of both the UBS and NA apparatuses. Also not exactly related to their respective apparatuses but relevant in a larger sense is that while the Greek text is the same, the formatting and punctuation differ.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 9 2018 9:31 AM

Judson s:

I just want to make sure, that I can click on the symbol in the text to highlight the variant. Then click the Variant for its definition and its manuscript. 

Are there any links to the actual manuscript like in Bibleworks? 

In that case, you need:

https://www.logos.com/product/29980/nestle-aland-greek-new-testament-28th-edition-with-critical-apparatus 

Not mentioned yet (I think):

- The popups for both UBS5 and NA28 include an english gloss (definition). That may be all you need (instead of a lexicon)

- The NA28 popups include Lou Nida cross-refs. They're like Strongs but show similar words. LN is not expensive.

- Not sure your interest in mss's. Logos has a tool to point to web-based mss's. But it's a 'feature' and a pretty penney. BW is far cheaper (though no longer for sale). I lucked out.

- I prefer NA27 to be truthful. It made better choices, has an interlinear for glances, and the apparatus. Between NA28 and UBS5, I primarily use NA28.


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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 9 2018 9:36 AM

Lew Worthington:

For an apparatus on steroids, Center for New Testament Textual Studies' New Testament Critical Apparatus. Here's the first of five main variants listed for John 1:3:

This is not exactly what the OP was asking about, but it gives a sense about the abbreviated nature of both the UBS and NA apparatuses. Also not exactly related to their respective apparatuses but relevant in a larger sense is that while the Greek text is the same, the formatting and punctuation differ.

You also need a computer on steroids, if you want to compare two mss varients for patterns. Heavens to Betsy. And like all the apparatus, any lemmas are not tagged, much less the varients. So, lots of coffee.


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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 9 2018 10:27 AM

What I have heard/read the UBS version is for translators and the NA version for the academics. I am neither, but I've got both.

Denise:
So, lots of coffee.

The CNTTS needs an overly user friendly graphical user interface. I have suggested this before, but it stopped the thread. What I think is an ideal interface could generate whole verses or sentences to compare side by side, perhaps with some color coding. Geeked

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Judson s | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 9 2018 12:54 PM

Does the UBS 5 with critical apparatus work the same as the NA28?

Also, does this have the same functionality on iPhone? 

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Judson s | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 9 2018 1:17 PM

How powerful of a computer do you need to run this? Does it really use more resources than the other two options?

Also what are the advantages and disadvantages compared to the NA  UBS? It seems like there is more functionality in the others? 

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