https://www.logos.com/product/165945/the-greek-new-testament-produced-at-tyndale-house-cambridge
I’m enoying reading this on the esv website... I placed my pre-order for the logos ed a while ago. Is thee an ETA?
The page lacks detail but can we expect tagging? Apparatus? Interlinear functionality? All these features are freely available on the esv site... I don’t mind to pay for them but it would be a shame to pay for a less functional version.
thanks
Says it includes the apparatus.
ETA: It's not a set in stone promise but we're targeting it shipping in March
Apparatus Text: Yes, it will be included.
Morph Tagging: Yes, that is in the plans.
Interlinear: At this point, I don't think we'll be shipping one.
Thanks for the update!
In the mean time I'm enjoying the premium leather bound edition!
John, can you tell me what, in particular, you are enjoying about this edition compared to let's say the NA28?
I, too, am really curious if I should spring for this in addition to NA28 & UBS-5. What does it bring to the table outside of a few variants in the Byzantine tradition (unless I am completely mistaken 😊)?
Pause for thought… why am I enjoying it? I think the reasons are fairly nuanced. I became interested because its simply a new publication on a topic that fascinates me. I’m particularly interested in the experience of reading and praying with a text. I was curious to see what they concluded about certain passages etc. I was also drawn in by the videos at the publication’s website. The very fact of there being some difference of opinion being expressed, draws me into thinking about it etc. There are some features of this text which are nice such as basing the layout on manuscript evidence and not ‘correcting’ spellings.
It was a bit helpful that Faithlife were slow to release it because my wife and parents decided to club together and get me the very beautiful premium leather readers edition for Christmas. I’ve never seen a Geek or Hebrew bible as beautiful as that - it makes my Zondervan bonded leather one look cheap! It’s nearly in the class of Allan or Schuyler. It also has just more than enough helps at the bottom of the page to mean I don’t need a separate reference to understand what I’m reading (actually there is a little too much help but I guess they wanted to broaden the appeal to students beginning their studies). I guess since taking on 3 churches 18 months ago I’ve been a bit over busy and this has slowed me down and got me back into reading in greek again.
I still very much want to get the logos edition to be able to use the text comparison tool and study some of the differences more closely.
So these are all very subtle reasons but if you are as interested in all these subtle issues of text transmission, translation and the experience of reading in greek as I am then you’ll definitely want to pick it up. I’m also looking forward to the textual notes being published, the few I’ve seen were a fascinating read.
beautiful premium leather readers edition for Christmas. I’ve never seen a Geek or Hebrew bible as beautiful as that -
Do you have the ISBN handy on that? Thanks!
Brown cowhide: 1108440487
Black French Moroccan leather: 1108440444
The above Lee posted are the ones with an apparatus... I'm reading 9781433565199 which is the one with reading aids such as glosses and parsing info. You can see sample pages of each over at the tyndale site.
Thanks for sorting that out!
Thanks for taking the time to express your thoughts about this. I've placed my order.
Thanks for the information guys,
Tom
what, in particular, you are enjoying about this edition compared to let's say the NA28
James White made some comments on this a couple months back on his DL program, related to how CBGM is affecting textual criticism. I can't remember the details of his comments, but do remember him saying that there were good reasons to get this particular edition related to the TC.
I bet someone here can delineate those reasons, but I'm getting to old to remember that kind of detail.
I did buy the hardback edition as a result of his comments.
Briefly:
1. Byzantine "text form".
2. Paragraphing, or how the texts were notionally separated into "blocks".
Early paragraphing makes THGNT very interesting.
However, the text is not Byzantine. It is in the tradition of reasoned eclecticism/ critical text. One distinctive feature is that every variant must be supported by two manuscripts with at least one an early one. This means there are no conjectural emendations. It is very different to CGBM.
These two features make it interesting in sermon preparation. I keenly await the textual commentary which I believe should be out soon and I would love to see in Logos too when it appears.
I'm really pleased Logos are producing THGNT.
Early paragraphing makes THGNT very interesting. However, the text is not Byzantine.
However, the text is not Byzantine.
Right. That's more to do with mention two levels above of CBGM.
The Greek New Testament, Produced at Tyndale House, Cambridge comes out of pre-pub soon. Grab it if you're still on the fence.
In addition Mark Ward just wrote a great review on the Logos blog - https://blog.logos.com/
Also, is anyone else getting the companion introduction that is close to shipping? - https://www.logos.com/product/176693/an-introduction-to-the-greek-new-testament
What are your thoughts about it? I'm in on the TGNT but on the fence about the introduction.
Please define "an early one" - Thanks.
Also, is anyone else getting the companion introduction that is close to shipping? - https://www.logos.com/product/176693/an-introduction-to-the-greek-new-testament What are your thoughts about it? I'm in on the TGNT but on the fence about the introduction.
I didn't know of https://www.logos.com/product/176693/an-introduction-to-the-greek-new-testament prior to your post, but looked up a customer review and read through the teaser excerpt you get from Amazon. It seems to be the required source to understand the editorial decisions that stand behind the TGNT and an intro to GNT textual criticism in general, including discussion of the most relevant variants. This convinced me to put in a PreOrder.
Not sure what the cutoff date might be, but "an early one"would likely mean a manuscript dating prior to the 5th century—or even earlier.
Please define "an early one" - Thanks. Not sure what the cutoff date might be, but "an early one"would likely mean a manuscript dating prior to the 5th century—or even earlier.
The editors, as a rule, always base their text on at least two Greek manuscripts, and one of these must be from the fifth century or earlier (THGNT, 506; the Apocalypse is the only exception to the rule of having at least one early manuscript).
Also, is anyone else getting the companion introduction that is close to shipping? - https://www.logos.com/product/176693/an-introduction-to-the-greek-new-testament What are your thoughts about it? I'm in on the TGNT but on the fence about the introduction. I didn't know of https://www.logos.com/product/176693/an-introduction-to-the-greek-new-testament prior to your post, but looked up a customer review and read through the teaser excerpt you get from Amazon. It seems to be the required source to understand the editorial decisions that stand behind the TGNT and an intro to GNT textual criticism in general, including discussion of the most relevant variants. This convinced me to put in a PreOrder.
I was sitting on the fence until I read more reviews and also listened to this podcast interviewing the author, Dirk Jongkind, about this book. - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dirk-jongkind-introduction-to-greek-new-testament-produced/id954894112?i=1000439919096
Any news on a release date?
Next Tuesday, June 25.
I'm really pleased to have this in my library. Thank you for processing it.
I don't seem to have the ability to select my visual filters (Tense/ Mood/ Voice etc) that I have with NA28 and English Bibles. Is this because the Morph Tagging is not there yet? Or that I'm doing something wrong?
I can use Visual Filters on that resource.
I'd check the Visual Filter definition to see what resources it applies to. If it applies to a collection, have you updated the collection to include the Tyndale GNT?
Thanks Graham for some rapid help!
I closed Logos and restarted it. And the visual filter is working.
Great to have this in my library. Looking forward to reading it through alongside the NA28 next year.
It appears we have no mobile access and it crashes the web app?
It's exasperating to have to wait until these get put out for tablet. They know we want to use that and we paid for it.
Agree. But the alternative is to delay the desktop. The mobile's always been the 2nd cousin living near the Bellingham docks.
I had very much hoped to use this with the text comparison tool... doesn't work at all?
It is working for me - please clarify
Ah brilliant... it works in Verses mode but try switching to interlinear? For me it is broken. Pleased it works at least that way though... started doing some comparisons!
it works in Verses mode but try switching to interlinear?
The Tyndale House Greek NT is not presently supported in the interlinear view of text comparison. We can look into it, but I cannot provide an estimate as to when it might happen.
Do we know if faithlife will publish the apparatus?
Oh, I see its there... but hard to access with such tiny links on the page!
John, there is a separate apparatus resource as well, which is probably the better way to navigate/browse the material.
