Need help on some searches related to Biblical Events

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Dec 13 2018 4:36 PM

I need some help starting to build some sample searches:

1. All the Biblical Events in which Moses and Aaron both appear.

2. All the Biblical Events mentioned in 1st Corinthians.

3. All the Biblical People mentioned in a specific Biblical Event e.g. Jesus turns water into wine

Thanks in advance.

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Karl Fritz | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 13 2018 4:49 PM

I assume you mean outside the Bible browser tool?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 13 2018 4:56 PM

Karl Fritz:

I assume you mean outside the Bible browser tool?

Yes, the Bible browser makes some assumptions I wish to specifically override.

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None of these are currently possible, sorry.

  1. There is no search syntax to filter Biblical Events by participants.
  2. If <Event *> were supported, you could search for <Event *> WITHIN {Milestone <Bible 1 Cor>}. But data type wildcard searches aren't currently implemented, so this isn't possible.
  3. Again, if data type wildcard searches were supported, you could search for <Person *> WITHIN {Section <Event xyz>}. (But this wouldn't return you a unique list of People, it would be all the mentions of those people within the verses tagged with that event. You would have to review the list of results and build your own unique list.)
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MJ. Smith:
Yes, the Bible browser makes some assumptions I wish to specifically override.

Such as?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 14 2018 12:01 AM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
Such as?

Assumption 1: I am willing to read a single verse in isolation - I believe that this violates practice as early as pre-Christian Jewish practices ...

Assumption 2: That I am willing to consider Bible translation/printing editors rather than lectionaries as the determiner of pericope boundaries ... okay, in some cases I am willing to live with this assumption

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 14 2018 12:03 AM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
None of these are currently possible, sorry.

Thanks for letting me know ... I'll get to work finding effective alternatives ... which Logos is good at offering.

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Martin Wetzel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 14 2018 2:32 AM

Hi, 

to No. 3: Create a Concordance with the range Jn 2, 1-11 and 'Biblical Entities'-'person' shows the 11 Biblical People mentioned in the pericope.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 14 2018 2:51 AM

Thanks - I'd not thought of the Concordance approach ..

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MJ. Smith:
Assumption 1: I am willing to read a single verse in isolation - I believe that this violates practice as early as pre-Christian Jewish practices ...

I must not be understanding your objection, since I would think this solved by changing the toolbar option from Verse to Pericope. However, your second objection seems to imply that you are already aware of this option, so I'm left being unsure of exactly what you mean.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 14 2018 9:22 AM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
If <Event *> were supported, you could search for <Event *> WITHIN {Milestone <Bible 1 Cor>}. But data type wildcard searches aren't currently implemented, so this isn't possible.

This again highlights the need to extending these searches, so we would be able to search for <Person WHERE Gender = Female"> or <Place WHERE Type = City"> and so on. That would be very powerful and useful, and all the data already exists! (Which makes it all the more frustrating that it's not possible.)

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 14 2018 1:56 PM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
I must not be understanding your objection, since I would think this solved by changing the toolbar option from Verse to Pericope.

To put my objection in a more serious and direct manner, I have been using the event "John the Baptist baptizes Jesus" as a test case. Two closely related questions came to mind:

  1. How many/who heard the voice from heaven and saw the dove?
  2. How many witnessed the baptism? ... thinking about the number of eyewitnesses who might have verified or questioned the account.

To answer the questions, I need a broader pericope as (a) who would be present with John and (b) who would be traveling with Jesus are two pieces of information that are necessary to answer the questions but are available only in the meta-pericope. That is why I prefer to have search results open a complete Bible rather than selected portions (filtered). For some questions and for some pericopes, it doesn't make a difference.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 14 2018 2:03 PM

Mark Barnes:
This again highlights the need to extending these searches, so we would be able to search for <Person WHERE Gender = Female"> or <Place WHERE Type = City"> and so on. That would be very powerful and useful, and all the data already exists! (Which makes it all the more frustrating that it's not possible.)

ditto

Not only does all the data exist, but the questions that would be answered are reasonable questions.

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