The Letter to the Romans, Second Edition, D. Moo

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 15 2019 9:05 AM

Kaleb Cuevas:

Paul Caneparo:

Is this another sale that hasn't been promoted? Are there any books other than NIC volumes included in the sale? I can see individual NIC volumes are discounted as well as the sets.

It just launched this morning messaging should be going out soon to make everyone aware. =) https://www.logos.com/nic-sale

Thanks Kaleb

Some recent sales seem to have been kept under the radar - especially featuring Zondervan. Keep the sales coming!

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 15 2019 1:56 PM

Spencer Robinson:

The link Dave Moser placed here was to my blog, but, as you mentioned, I only talk about Schreiner's revision. 

Phil Long reviews Moo's commentary here: https://readingacts.com/2019/03/06/book-review-douglas-j-moo-romans-second-edition-nicnt/, and may make some comments about differences. 

In Schreiner's Romans class, he said he talked to Moo about his revision. Moo said he didn't substantially change anything, just some nuances here and there and updated his bibliography. I honestly almost don't see the point. 

I was wondering how much it was revised? Schreiner just answered my question! Thanks for posting! $39 is a good price, but if it’s virtually the same content, then I can skip it and use the money for something else.

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Mike Tourangeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 15 2019 8:02 PM

Kaleb Cuevas:
It just launched this morning messaging should be going out soon to make everyone aware. =) https://www.logos.com/nic-sale

The sale price ($29.99) is not showing for me (?) 

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Keith Pang | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 15 2019 8:40 PM

Just buy the whole set and with dynamic pricing it is cheaper if you own most of the volumes 

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Dale E Heath | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 15 2019 9:23 PM

Mike Tourangeau:

Kaleb Cuevas:
It just launched this morning messaging should be going out soon to make everyone aware. =) https://www.logos.com/nic-sale

The sale price ($29.99) is not showing for me (?) 

* Excludes volumes on Romans and Galatians

Everything else should be $29.99 or less.

After you purchase everything besides Romans and Galatians, you can purchase the entire collection and your DP will be much cheaper. More than $29.99, but less than $40 for Romans. Not sure how much Galatians would be.

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Roy | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 15 2019 9:56 PM

$ 62.69 for both Romans & Galatians. Not a bad deal...

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 16 2019 2:44 AM

How come the Romans Volume is $69 on its own, but $39 as part of the set? Shouldn’t it be $29.99 as advertised?

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 16 2019 3:00 AM

DAL:
How come the Romans Volume is $69 on its own, but $39 as part of the set? Shouldn’t it be $29.99 as advertised?

As per Dale's post above, the volumes on Romans and Galatians don't qualify for the sale price.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 16 2019 3:21 AM

Graham Criddle:

DAL:
How come the Romans Volume is $69 on its own, but $39 as part of the set? Shouldn’t it be $29.99 as advertised?

As per Dale's post above, the volumes on Romans and Galatians don't qualify for the sale price.

 Thanks I didn’t see the post above 👍😁👌

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 16 2019 3:26 AM

If you're thinking it's not worth buying Moo or Schreiner's revisions, but want an up to date Romans commentary written at a similar level, this commentary in the ZECNT series ships on the 26th April, so there's not long to buy it at pre-pub price:

https://www.logos.com/product/168350/zondervan-exegetical-commentary-on-the-new-testament-romans

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 16 2019 9:36 AM

Paul Caneparo:

If you're thinking it's not worth buying Moo or Schreiner's revisions, but want an up to date Romans commentary written at a similar level, this commentary in the ZECNT series ships on the 26th April, so there's not long to buy it at pre-pub price:

https://www.logos.com/product/168350/zondervan-exegetical-commentary-on-the-new-testament-romans

I’m good with what I have. I used that money to buy 19 volumes of the Discovering Christ Series by Don Fortner (Some of those volumes are still in prepub in Logos).  I got them all plus 6 new volumes by another Don but last name Cantrell. This was with the competition, so I won’t name them this time.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 18 2019 9:11 AM

Keith Pang:

Just buy the whole set and with dynamic pricing it is cheaper if you own most of the volumes 

Yes, this is the way to do it!

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 18 2019 9:57 AM

Bruce Dunning:

Keith Pang:

Just buy the whole set and with dynamic pricing it is cheaper if you own most of the volumes 

Yes, this is the way to do it!

Unfortunately only the complete set is on sale - if there was a dynamically sale priced NT bundle, I'd go that route... 

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 18 2019 10:10 AM

I don't know if this helps anyone but I was on the fence about buying it.  I saw this review on Amazon if it helps... this is the review verbatim. 

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Bill Muehlenberg 5.0 out of 5 starsA revision, but a worthwhile purchase nonetheless

December 16, 2018

Format: HardcoverVerified Purchase Let me offer a few introductory thoughts first: Perhaps the two main considerations folks might have as to whether or not they buy this commentary are these: Do I have enough money, and do I have enough shelf space? This is an expensive and rather large commentary (over 1150 pages). Normally those two considerations would not deter me in the least. However this is a revision of Moo’s earlier NICNT commentary, so some deliberation may be in order.

The fact that I am now reviewing his new edition shows that I did not deliberate on this all that long! Some of you may have noticed that often a revised or updated volume is not really worth dishing out more money on. Bibliographies may be updated or some minor tinkering around the edges may have occurred. But that often does not really justify dishing out hard-earned cash to buy the new version when the older one will usually suffice.

So what about Moo’s revised work? The first NICNT volume on Romans was the 700-page work by John Murray, originally released as two volumes back in 1959. Moo’s replacement volume appeared in 1996 and was 1000 pages in length.

That was entitled The Epistle to the Romans. So as not to confuse things, his revised version is called The Letter to the Romans. It was released late this year, and comes to almost 1200 pages. One also must be aware of another work Moo did on Romans, the 2000 NIVAC volume of some 500 pages.

Those who have Murray, the two earlier Moo commentaries, and other books on Romans, may ask if his newest offering is worth getting. Obviously I thought it was, as I now have it and am reviewing it. So what is new and what has been added?

As to the 150+ pages added, much of this comes in the form of a 125-page bibliography. This compares to just eight pages in his first volume. But much new material was nonetheless added, but as Moo states, he also deleted some material found in the first edition, partly to keep the size from blowing out too much.

Concerning Pauline studies and how we understand the letter to the Romans, there is much that has changed or been added in the past 22 years. One of the most significant changes and developments has been the rise and rise of the so-called New Perspective on Paul. It was certainly there in 1996 (first arising in the 70s), but still somewhat in its infancy.

But since then it has really exploded on the theological scene, especially with the voluminous work of N. T. Wright. In his 2000 NIVAC commentary on Romans Moo discussed this a bit, and here he takes full account of this massive theological discussion, and interacts with Wright and others on this to a fair extent.

Indeed, in his large bibliography we find nearly 20 of Wright’s works featured, while none were found in his original bibliography. And there are various discussions of the issue, including a 15-page excurses on the topic, with Moo looking at the pros and cons of the view, especially focusing on Sanders, Dunn, and Wright.

He writes (quoting from words he had penned elsewhere in 2004): “my quarrel with new perspective advocates is often not so much over what they say but about what they do not say - or, perhaps better, the overall balance that they give to certain issues.” He concludes:

"In general, then, I am convinced that the teaching of Paul – and of Jesus and Matthew and Luke and Mark and Peter – cannot satisfactorily be explained without the assumption that some Jews, at least, had drifted from a biblical conception of the primacy and sufficiency of God’s grace into a belief that regarded their own works done in obedience to the law as basic to their justification/salvation."

Or as he says at the start of his comments on Rom 1:18ff: “If, then, justification by faith is not the center of Romans or of Paul’s thought in the logical sense, in another sense it expresses a central, driving force in Paul's thought…. In this respect, the Reformers were not far wrong in giving to justification by faith the attention they did.” This is found in both editions.

Other areas deserve some mention. In his discussion of Rom. 8:12-13 the matter of the believer falling away arises. Basically repeating what he wrote two decades ago, he says:

"I believe that the strength of the assurances Paul has given to justified believers throughout these chapters (see especially 5:9–10, 21; 8:1–4, 10–11), along with the finality of justification itself, favors the Calvinistic interpretation. But such an interpretation in no way mitigates the seriousness of the warning that Paul gives here. In a way that we cannot finally neatly synthesize, Paul insists that what God has done for us in Christ is the sole and final grounds for our eternal life at the same time as he insists on the indispensability of holy living as the precondition for attaining that life. Neither the “indicative”—what God has done for us in Christ—nor the “imperative”—what we are commanded to do—can be eliminated. Nor can they be severed from one another; they are inextricably connected."

Consider another area. Given how radically the whole homosexual debate has been over the past few decades, including in the churches, I looked to see if Moo had perhaps added an excurses on this topic, but none was to be found. However he maintains his biblical stance from his original volume: homosexuality is a sin.

He concludes his examination of Rom. 1:24-26 with these words: “It is clear that Paul depicts homosexual activity as a violation of God’s created order, another indication of the departure from true knowledge and worship of God” – exactly the words he used 22 years earlier.

On the vexatious issue of how we should understand Romans 7 and the struggle with sin, Moo looks at the four main ways on understanding the identification of the one being discussed in vv. 7-25: the autobiographical, the Adamic, the Israel, and the existential direction. He argues that a combination of the first and third views may best explain the text. And he argues that vv. 14-25 refer to the situation of an unregenerate person, not a regenerate one.

Two clear hot potato issues involve the future of ethnic Israel and the concept of predestination, both discussed in much detail in Rom. 9-11. As to the former, Moo of course sees it as a fully biblical doctrine, but concerning the notion of double predestination, he offers caution.

When discussing the hardening of Pharaoh’s heart for example in Rom. 9:14-23, he says that Calvin’s teachings on this can be gleaned from Paul, not just here, but in 11:7 as well. Such texts “provide exegetical support” for such an interpretation. “Nevertheless, we must be cautious in drawing such a conclusion,” as he goes on to explain.

And concerning the issue of trying to reconcile divine sovereignty with human free will, Moo perhaps rightly comments on 9:13 that God is indeed just in all that he does, but “no resolution of this perennial paradox seems possible this side of heaven.”

As to the issue of Israel and its future, part of that very complex and detailed debate has to be examined by understanding that Paul speaks to both corporate and individual election in these three chapters – something he had already discussed in his first edition.

In the new edition he adds an excursus on this, “Recent assessments of Paul and Judaism”. The issue of supersessionism (that the church has superseded or replaced Israel) has long been maintained by many throughout church history.

Most sides in the debate agree that there is some continuity and some discontinuity between the Testaments. Says Moo, one might see some sense of supersessionism as we move to the NT, since “God’s people are now defined Christologically”. But language of ‘replacement’ falls short of Paul’s thought:

Perhaps a better word to describe the movement from OT Israel to NT church is the same word that the NT so often uses to denote such relationships: “fulfillment.” We thereby capture the necessary note of continuity – the church is the continuation of Israel into the new age – and discontinuity – the church, not Israel, is now the locus of God’s work in the world.

Of course there is still to be a future ingathering of Israel: “The Jewish people, Paul affirms, like Gentiles, can find salvation only through Christ; and, likewise, the salvation of many Jews in the last days (11:26), while its mechanics are not spelled out for us in any detail, also comes through Christ.”

Much more can be said. For example, another issue that can generate some debate is how we understand the sword of Rom. 13:4. Does it include capital punishment? Maybe, says Moo – in both editions. That discussion is mainly relegated to footnotes.

As to a very minor point, I looked up one book that he mentioned, but it turns out he gave it the wrong title - and in both editions. The 1970 volume by John Coolidge should be Pauline Renaissance in England: Puritanism and the Bible, not Puritan Renaissance in England: Puritanism and the Bible (which is why I first had a hard time looking it up).

In sum, and all things considered, this remains a terrific commentary. The theological positions of Moo have changed very little over the years, and there is plenty of overlap between the two editions. But still, a fair amount of new and worthwhile material has been added.

So for some of you at least, this might be well worth picking up, even if you have his two earlier commentaries on Romans.
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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 18 2019 12:04 PM

Mattillo:

I don't know if this helps anyone but I was on the fence about buying it.  I saw this review on Amazon if it helps... this is the review verbatim. 

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Bill Muehlenberg 5.0 out of 5 starsA revision, but a worthwhile purchase nonetheless

December 16, 2018

Thanks for this review

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