BUG: Elongated command box

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Francis | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Dec 29 2018 1:19 AM

I generally like the UI changes in Logos 8. However, as many users have noted, menus and buttons tend to eat up more space. This certainly applies to the command/search box. Does it need to be this wide? It leaves less room for the toolbar (which is cramped enough as it is). 

It does not need to be wide for short commands and long ones don't fit anyway resulting in a drop-down that again, makes excessive width unnecessary. I am not sure what other users are doing but I can't imagine that most power users (who are more likely to write long search strings) would want to do that in the command box rather than invoke first the search window. So again, is this width really necessary?

EDIT: See comments below.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 29 2018 2:45 AM

It doesn't seem all that wide to me. Do you have something different to what it looks like for me? I have lots of room for toolbar icons.

I'm more concerned about the width of the tabs. You used to be able to see a lot more open tabs across the screen than you can now in L8.

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 29 2018 4:52 AM

Rosie Perera:

It doesn't seem all that wide to me. Do you have something different to what it looks like for me? I have lots of room for toolbar icons.

Yes! Most definitely:

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 29 2018 4:54 AM

EDIT:

I figured out what triggers the widening (and shortening) of the box. The box adapts its width to that of the drop-down suggestion text that corresponds to one's query. So, a short command like "Go to Mark 14:1 in preferred Bible" will have little effect. "Open Passage Study Layout to Mark 14:1" will widen the box a bit. "Open Word Biblical Commentary, vol 34b: Mark 8:27-16:20 to Mark 14:1" will widen it even more.

After the command has been used, the box does not return to its initial size. However, entering a shorter command (like my first example) will cause it shorten again.

I don't want to hear that this is "as expected".

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 29 2018 3:15 PM

Francis:
I don't want to hear that this is "as expected".

Please turn the auto-reader off so that you will read rather than hear. Wink This not only is working as expected but also as designed. I find the wider box useful.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 29 2018 7:02 PM

MJ. Smith:
This not only is working as expected but also as designed. I find the wider box useful.

I agree that the auto-widening is helpful, as it would be frustrating to not see the remainder of a truncated command.

Perhaps if the shortcut bar eventually supported drop-down shortcuts, it would free up more of that limited space.

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 30 2018 7:42 AM

MJ. Smith:
Please turn the auto-reader off so that you will read rather than hear. Wink This not only is working as expected but also as designed. I find the wider box useful.

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I don't have a problem with the box auto-widening as I do with the fact that it does not return to its original size automatically afterward. It requires an extra step to get it done manually.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 30 2018 2:50 PM

Francis:
I don't have a problem with the box auto-widening as I do with the fact that it does not return to its original size automatically afterward.

Several people have suggested this and I see no reason it couldn't be done except that "afterward" is surprisingly difficult to define.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 30 2018 6:16 PM

MJ. Smith:
I see no reason it couldn't be done except that "afterward" is surprisingly difficult to define.

Yes, for that we should thank Einstein and Quantum MechanicsSmile

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 30 2018 6:32 PM

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 30 2018 11:02 PM

MJ. Smith:
Several people have suggested this and I see no reason it couldn't be done except that "afterward" is surprisingly difficult to define.

Perhaps definition could start with the following question for the fans of the widening box: what use do you have for it and does this use require the elongation of the box to persist?

If usefulness is only instant, then it would seem that once the command has been run, there should be no need for the box to remain elongated. That would be what "afterward" is (in a Newtonian sense).

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 30 2018 11:37 PM

Francis:
Perhaps definition could start with the following question for the fans of the widening box: what use do you have for it and does this use require the elongation of the box to persist?

Often the reason for a very long title is resolved only by the portion on the far right - volume number, glossary, clause visualization etc. So often, what I want next requires only a minor modification to the last two or three words. Example:

  • The OpenText.org Syntactically Analyzed Greek New Testament Glossary
  • The OpenText.org Syntactically Analyzed Greek New Testament: Clause Analysis
  • The OpenText.org Syntactically Analyzed Greek New Testament

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 31 2018 12:30 AM

MJ. Smith:
So often, what I want next

It is still not clear to me, from your examples, what use you have for this. Understanding usages is helpful to brainstorm about potential solutions.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 31 2018 1:54 AM

Because if i've opened the clause analysis I'm apt to want to open the Glossary rather soon.

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 31 2018 3:29 AM

OK, I get it. Now, all you really need is to refocus in the command box to see all matching options again, right? So, this does not require the box to remain elongated. If so, then I would suggest that focus be the deciding factor. When one "leaves" the box, as it were, it should return to its default size.

I mean, it seems to me that it is a bigger problem that one's toolbar remains significant decreased in size until another query is done from the command bar than to have to click into it to see similar titles relisted.

It may be convenient from the standpoint of those who use the command box in this way, but surely it should not be expected of users to have to type in a shorter command to be able to see their full toolbar again!

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 31 2018 12:05 PM

I'm with Francis on this one.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 31 2018 3:06 PM

Francis:
OK, I get it. Now, all you really need is to refocus in the command box to see all matching options again, right?

Except when it is multi-volume beyond 5 in the series.

Francis:
surely it should not be expected of users to have to type in a shorter command to be able to see their full toolbar again!

I agree except that I don't expect to be able to see the full toolbar.

This is a case where I don't care which way it works; for myself, it is an even trade off. I just want both sides to understand that there are advantages and disadvantages on both sides ... that what works best for them is not necessarily the best for everyone. My personal preference here also leans towards the multi-line shortcuts bar as implemented in L3.

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 2 2019 10:35 AM

I think that it is useful for FL to know what to think about as they seek for solutions, but while the adaptative characteristic of the box is perhaps by design, its failure to return to normal is a bug and must be addressed.

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