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Scot Wright | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Jan 4 2019 1:40 PM

Hi everyone. In the previous version of Logos you could designate a resource specific note so that all the highlights in that resource would be stored in the same place or file. Once you designated it then you didn't have worry about it, if you made a highlight in that resource it would be filed in that named folder.

With the new Logos 8 note system that does not seem to exist. You first have to create the notebook then verify each time that it is the most recent notebook especially if you switch resources that your highlighting. I find this awkward because often times I misfile a note because I forgot to change the notebook to make it the most recent. Is there another way to this that I haven't discovered yet?  Big Smile

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 4 2019 1:47 PM

Scot Wright:

Hi everyone. In the previous version of Logos you could designate a resource specific note so that all the highlights in that resource would be stored in the same place or file. Once you designated it then you didn't have worry about it, if you made a highlight in that resource it would be filed in that named folder.

With the new Logos 8 note system that does not seem to exist. You first have to create the notebook then verify each time that it is the most recent notebook especially if you switch resources that your highlighting. I find this awkward because often times I misfile a note because I forgot to change the notebook to make it the most recent. Is there another way to this that I haven't discovered yet?  Big Smile

The reason for this is because you no longer need to make resource specific notebooks. This is done automatically and can be utilized in the filter facet. Just filter for the resource and you have all notes/highlights for that resource.  It is actually a big improvement in my opinion.

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Scot Wright | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 4 2019 2:07 PM

Many thanks again David for your response and help. Could you show me how I can highlight in a resource without having to check whether it is going to the right notebook or not?

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 4 2019 2:09 PM

Scot Wright:

Many thanks again David for your response and help. Could you show me how I can highlight in a resource without having to check whether it is going to the right notebook or not?

That's what I am saying, you wouldn't be using notebooks for that anymore as long as you are talking about resource specific notebooks.  You just use the filters in the Note Tool to find the specific resource. This might help https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018492791-Using-Notebooks#h.3i1rkouflu1 

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Scot Wright | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 4 2019 2:19 PM

Again thanks. I'm just not getting it. I went through the note tutorial and was left with more questions. than answers. Sorry I'm so dense.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 4 2019 2:27 PM

No worries.  If you look at the filters on the left side of the notes tool, a little down you will see you can filter by resource. The notes/highlights automatically get tagged with whatever resource they are in whether you put them in a notebook or not. This eliminates the need for resource notebooks.

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Levi Durfey | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 4 2019 2:35 PM

I think most people are just allowing their highlights to go into "no notebook" (my preference) or a single, designated notebook. Then they use the filters, like David describes above, to find the highlights in a particular resource.

It amounts to a more automatic and cleaner system. You don't need dozens or hundreds of notebooks for highlights. You can save your Notebooks for the real important stuff.

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Jack Hairston | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 5 2019 7:20 AM

Scot, like you, I prefer to keep Notes of a given resource in a Notebook. Here's how to set a default Notebook for each note you add,

2046.Logos 8 Notes.docx

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 5 2019 7:30 AM

Jack Hairston:

Scot, like you, I prefer to keep Notes of a given resource in a Notebook. Here's how to set a default Notebook for each note you add,

2046.Logos 8 Notes.docx

That is unnecessary in Logos 8 as the tool already separates these.

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Jack Hairston | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 5 2019 7:47 AM

David Taylor Jr:

That is unnecessary in Logos 8 as the tool already separates these.

Would you explain "separates?" If I don't set a default Notebook, all added Notes go into "no notebook."

Jack [still learning] 

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 5 2019 10:19 AM

Jack Hairston:

David Taylor Jr:

That is unnecessary in Logos 8 as the tool already separates these.

Would you explain "separates?" If I don't set a default Notebook, all added Notes go into "no notebook."

Jack [still learning] 

Sure, when you write a note or highlight in L8 it automatically marks it with the resource that it is in no matter what notebook it is in so it can be filtered. There is a whole list of when to use and when not to use notebooks. Here is a link that might help clarify this.

https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018492791-Using-Notebooks 

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Jack Hairston | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 5 2019 10:33 AM

David Taylor Jr:

Sure, when you write a note or highlight in L8 it automatically marks it with the resource that it is in no matter what notebook it is in so it can be filtered. There is a whole list of when to use and when not to use notebooks. Here is a link that might help clarify this.

https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018492791-Using-Notebooks 

Thanks, David. I had not seen that. 

The bottom line for me is teaching from Notes. If I filter by Type:Notes > Bible Book:Isaiah, just the notes for Isaiah are visible without referring to a Notebook. Good so far.

When I select a group of notes (click on a Note, scroll down, shift+click on the bottom Note) and then press Ctrl+P to export, all the selected Notes can be pasted into Microsoft Word, but no Anchor locations are included. No joy. Until this is rectified, neither Notes nor Notebooks are useful.  I plan to keep my options open until then.

Thanks again for your explanation,
Jack

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 5 2019 10:37 AM

Jack Hairston:

David Taylor Jr:

Sure, when you write a note or highlight in L8 it automatically marks it with the resource that it is in no matter what notebook it is in so it can be filtered. There is a whole list of when to use and when not to use notebooks. Here is a link that might help clarify this.

https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018492791-Using-Notebooks 

Thanks, David. I had not seen that. 

The bottom line for me is teaching from Notes. If I filter by Type:Notes > Bible Book:Isaiah, just the notes for Isaiah are visible without referring to a Notebook. Good so far.

When I select a group of notes (click on a Note, scroll down, shift+click on the bottom Note) and then press Ctrl+P to export, all the selected Notes can be pasted into Microsoft Word, but no Anchor locations are included. No joy. Until this is rectified, neither Notes nor Notebooks are useful.  I plan to keep my options open until then.

Thanks again for your explanation,
Jack

Perhaps the sermon editor might be a better fit for you?

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Jack Hairston | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 5 2019 11:50 AM

Thanks for the suggestion, David.

Sermon Editor proceeds from topic to scripture. I prefer to begin the other way around with scripture and expand from there to commentary.

I appreciate that Logos offers many paths to the goal of expository teaching. 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 5 2019 1:03 PM

Jack Hairston:
Sermon Editor proceeds from topic to scripture. I prefer to begin the other way around with scripture and expand from there to commentary.

I'm interested in this comment - are you able to expand?

The reason I ask is that the Sermon Editor starts with a "blank screen" that we populate as we choose.

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Jack Hairston | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 5 2019 1:58 PM

Thanks for the question, Graham.

The video that describes Sermon Editor (https://www.logos.com/logos-pro/sermon-editor) shows a topic first, and only later adds scripture.

I'm not a lecturer, but teach expositional classes that are high on conversation.

  1. Before Logos 8, I would export a chapter of scripture Notes that contain questions about the text, and supporting evidence.
  2. This used to appear in Microsoft Word as a two-column table.
  3. The left column held flags and the right column held references and Notes. 
  4. By expanding the left column and pasting scripture, I had teacher notes.
  5. Pulling out questions into a separate booklet for students would prepare for classroom teaching.

Alas, this is no longer an option. I can hardly wait for Faithlife to finish making Logos work the way it used to.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 5 2019 3:19 PM

Jack Hairston:
The video that describes Sermon Editor (https://www.logos.com/logos-pro/sermon-editor) shows a topic first, and only later adds scripture.

But the Sermon Editor can be used to support a variety of approaches. The seventh video in https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360017433952-Logos-8-Sermon-and-Bible-Study-Prep-Series gives a slightly different perspective. 

Jack Hairston:
Alas, this is no longer an option. I can hardly wait for Faithlife to finish making Logos work the way it used to.

Understood - and the lack of, for example, the ability to include references when exporting notes is a real problem.

But it could be interesting to explore how the sermon document approach could support what you are trying to do.

When I am preparing for a sermon I tend to use Notes to keep track of what I find when studying a text, pose questions I need to answer and so on. And then I produce a sermon document based on the notes I have made. And as part of that process I copy notes - and other things - into the sermon document.

Jack Hairston:
By expanding the left column and pasting scripture, I had teacher notes.

The "prompt" option in the sermon document supports this type of capability

Jack Hairston:
Pulling out questions into a separate booklet for students would prepare for classroom teaching.

The "Question" and "Handout" views could provide this.

See video 9 in the series I referenced above for an introduction to these views and how they work.

I find it a powerful and convenient way to tie everything together - and wonder if it is worth at least exploring from your perspective.

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Jack Hairston | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 5 2019 3:38 PM

Thanks, Graham for your thoughtful analysis. I will dig deeper into the Sermon Editor.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 5 2019 4:41 PM

Jack Hairston:

Thanks, Graham for your thoughtful analysis. I will dig deeper into the Sermon Editor.

FWIW Graham uses the sermon editor exactly in the way I was thinking about when I suggested it to you. I hope it works out for you!

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Jack Hairston | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 6 2019 5:10 AM

David Taylor Jr:

Jack Hairston:

Thanks, Graham for your thoughtful analysis. I will dig deeper into the Sermon Editor.

FWIW Graham uses the sermon editor exactly in the way I was thinking about when I suggested it to you. I hope it works out for you!

Thanks to both of you for guiding me through the videos. I see what you meant. Here is an example of the output that I meant.

5074.James -- Student.docx

3733.James -- Teacher.docx

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