THEOLOGY GUIDE NEEDS WORK

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 15 2019 2:14 PM

MJ. Smith:

  • Packer, J. I. Concise Theology: A Guide to Historic Christian Beliefs. Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House, 1993.
  • Ryrie, Charles Caldwell. Basic Theology: A Popular Systematic Guide to Understanding Biblical Truth. Chicago, IL: Moody Press, 1999.
  • Hodge, Charles. Systematic Theology. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997.
  • Strong, Augustus Hopkins. Systematic Theology. Philadelphia: American Baptist Publication Society, 1907.
  • Berkhof, L. Systematic Theology. Grand Rapids, MI: Wm. B. Eerdmans publishing co., 1938.

Thank you so very much for this information, MJ.  I pasted it in with the soon coming list above.  I will watch + see how FL + my money goes.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 15 2019 5:45 PM

Thanks for the update, Kyle.

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Andrew Biddinger | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 17 2019 7:04 PM

Kyle G. Anderson:

I wanted to let you know that we're currently in the process of annotating a large batch of Systematic Theology resources.

Will Wayne Grudem's Christian Ethics (which is shipping 3/28) come integrated?

https://www.logos.com/product/166084/christian-ethics-an-introduction-to-biblical-moral-reasoning

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 17 2019 8:14 PM

Andrew Biddinger:
Will Wayne Grudem's Christian Ethics (which is shipping 3/28) come integrated?

FL staff would have to give a definitive answer, but I don't think so. As it stands at present, the Lexham Survey of Theology doesn't seem to include ethical categories, and I doubt they'd expand it as would be necessary to include such a work.

General speaking, Christian ethics is considered a subordinate discipline of theology, but many (most?) works of systematics include little, if any, formal exposition of ethics.

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Andrew Biddinger | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 18 2019 4:20 AM

Sean:

FL staff would have to give a definitive answer, but I don't think so. As it stands at present, the Lexham Survey of Theology doesn't seem to include ethical categories, and I doubt they'd expand it as would be necessary to include such a work.

General speaking, Christian ethics is considered a subordinate discipline of theology, but many (most?) works of systematics include little, if any, formal exposition of ethics.

Thanks, Sean. That makes sense.

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 18 2019 4:34 AM

Sean:

Andrew Biddinger:
Will Wayne Grudem's Christian Ethics (which is shipping 3/28) come integrated?

FL staff would have to give a definitive answer, but I don't think so. As it stands at present, the Lexham Survey of Theology doesn't seem to include ethical categories, and I doubt they'd expand it as would be necessary to include such a work.

General speaking, Christian ethics is considered a subordinate discipline of theology, but many (most?) works of systematics include little, if any, formal exposition of ethics.

Systematic Theology typically includes the following categories classically:

  1. Prolegomena
  2. Theology Proper
  3. Bibliology
  4. Christology
  5. Pneumatology
  6. Soteriology
  7. Anthropology
  8. Angelology
  9. Demonology
  10. Hamartiology
  11. Ecclesiology
  12. Eschatology

Logos also identifies several additional categories:

  1. Exegesis
  2. Theologians
  3. Traditions
  4. Other

The other category is the only one that ethics might fall into but traditionally it is not part of Systematic Theology.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 18 2019 9:57 PM

Kyle G. Anderson:

Quick Update:

On Monday, March 18th we're shipping an update to the LSTO data base. It will include new LSTO alignments for 15 resources:

The Church (Bloesch)
The Church (Clowney)
Eschatology, or the Catholic Doctrine of the Last Things (Pohle)
Foundations of the Christian Faith (Boice)
God: His Knowability, Essence, and Attributes, A Dogmatic Treatise (Pohle)
Understanding Theology, Volume One (Kendall)
Understanding Theology, Volume Two (Kendall)
The Last Things (Bloesch)
Mariology (Pohle)
The Person of Christ (Macleod)
The Providence of God (Helm)
The Revelation of God (Jensen)
Soteriology: A Dogmatic Treatise on the Redemption (Pohle)
Epilogue (von Balthasar)
The Work of Christ (Letham)

The dataset for these resources has downloaded. It is good to see progress.

Looking over the guide, I have a couple points.

First, navigating the topics in a locus is not easy. If I open ecclesiology or the doctrine of the church, there's no easy way to navigate to the subtopics within the guide. I would think that I could click on the points in the ontology tree, but all that does is open the image in media. If I start with a subtopic, such as the attributes of the church, I can navigate the tree easier, but clicking on another topic opens another instance of the Theology Guide. That is not desired behavior; it should jump to the new location in the same window.

Second, I don't understand the repetition of the "Systematic Theologies" section. Clicking the add button adds another copy; I don't see the purpose behind that. But even without clicking it, the section is showing up twice in the guide:

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 18 2019 11:07 PM

Sean:
I would think that I could click on the points in the ontology tree,

I can go up the ontological tree from the crumb trail in the Topic section. I haven't found a way to navigate down.

Sean:
Clicking the add button adds another copy; I don't see the purpose behind that

It allows you to have multiple copies running off personal subcollections - so I might set up 3 - one for Catholic/Orthodox, one for Anglican/Lutheran, one for everything else.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 18 2019 11:33 PM

MJ. Smith:
It allows you to have multiple copies running off personal subcollections - so I might set up 3 - one for Catholic/Orthodox, one for Anglican/Lutheran, one for everything else.

Oh, I see this now! The settings pulldown doesn't show up unless you hover over it. Thanks, MJ.

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Kevin A Lewis | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 19 2019 2:39 AM

So where does

Israelology

Fit in this scheme?

Shalom

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 19 2019 3:40 AM

Kevin A Lewis:

So where does

Israelology

Fit in this scheme?

Shalom

Israelology typically isn't a category in traditional systematics. Some dispensational works may have it as a formal locus, perhaps between anthropology-hamartiology (sin) and Christology. Others might discuss it under covenants in the same or a nearby area, or might address it tangentially in ecclesiology or eschatology.

ETA: Bringing it on topic, I see that the Theology Guide does not have a section on Israelology. It does have a category for covenants with articles on each of the biblical covenants. Interestingly, I'm seeing a few other works aligned, titles other than the original 5 and the ones added in today's update. Under covenants we have this one:

Witsius, H., 1837. The Economy of the Covenants between God and Man: Comprehending a Complete Body of Divinity, London: T. Tegg & Son.

which of course I didn't even know I had.

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 19 2019 9:55 AM

Sean:

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First, navigating the topics in a locus is not easy. If I open ecclesiology or the doctrine of the church, there's no easy way to navigate to the subtopics within the guide. I would think that I could click on the points in the ontology tree, but all that does is open the image in media. If I start with a subtopic, such as the attributes of the church, I can navigate the tree easier, but clicking on another topic opens another instance of the Theology Guide. That is not desired behavior; it should jump to the new location in the same window.

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We've discussed using the diagram for navigating to subtopics, but there are technical issues that make that difficult, so we haven't tackled that yet. The best current workaround is to open the corresponding article in the Lexham Survey of Theology, where the table of contents sidebar makes it easy to navigate to a subtopic (and then back again to the Theology Guide if desired). But I recognize that better navigate to subtopics within the Guide would be an improvement. 

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 28 2019 12:13 PM

On Monday, April 1st the LSTO data base will be updated with annotations for an additional 39 resources:

A Contemporary Anabaptist Theology: Biblical, Historical, Constructive (Finger)
A Manual of Catholic Theology: Based on Scheeben’s “Dogmatik”, Vol. I (Wilhelm; Scannell)
A Manual of Catholic Theology: Based on Scheeben’s “Dogmatik”, Vol. II (Wilhelm; Scannell)
Christian Combat; Faith, Hope and Charity (Augustine of Hippo)
Christology: A Dogmatic Treatise on the Incarnation (Pohle)
Creator Spirit (von Balthasar)
Foundations of Systematic Theology (Guarino)
God: The Author of Nature and the Supernatural (Pohle)
Grace, Actual and Habitual: A Dogmatic Treatise (Pohle)
Introduction to Christianity (Revised Edition) (Ratzinger)
Introductory Volume to Systematic Theology (Berkhof)
Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers 2.9
Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers 2.9 (CE)
Outlines of Dogmatic Theology (Hunter)
Saint John of Damascus: Writings
Spirit and Institution (von Balthasar)
Spouse of the Word (von Balthasar)
Summa Doctrinae Christianae, Volume 1 (Canisius)
Summa Doctrinae Christianae, Volume 2 (Canisius)
Systematic Theology (Thiselton)
The Divine Trinity: A Dogmatic Treatise (Pohle)
The Doctrine of God (Bray)
The Doctrine of Humanity (Sherlock)
The Faith of Catholics (James Waterworth and Thomas J. Capel)
The Holy Spirit (Ferguson)
The Sacraments: A Dogmatic Treatise, Volume 1 (Pohle)
The Sacraments: A Dogmatic Treatise, Volume 2 (Pohle)
The Sacraments: A Dogmatic Treatise, Volume 3 (Pohle)
The Sacraments: A Dogmatic Treatise, Volume 4 (Pohle)
The Word Made Flesh (von Balthasar)
Theo-Drama, Volume 1: Prolegomena (von Balthasar)
Theo-Drama, Volume 2: Dramatis Personae: Man in God (von Balthasar)
Theo-Drama, Volume 3: Dramatis Personae: Persons in Christ (von Balthasar)
Theo-Drama, Volume 4: The Action (von Balthasar)
Theo-Drama, Volume 5: The Last Act (von Balthasar)
Theo-Logic, Volume 1: The Truth of the World (von Balthasar)
Theo-Logic, Volume 2: Truth of God (von Balthasar)
Theo-Logic, Volume 3: The Spirit of the Truth (von Balthasar)
Understanding Theology, Volume Three (Kendall)

We've got annotations for another 25 titles that are done but didn't make the cut-off for the update on Monday. I hope to have all of those finalized and part of an update that will go out on Monday, April 15th.

By that time I should have more information about when the rest of the Systematic Theology resource types will be finished. My hunch is that we'll continue to annotate approximately 50-75 resources a month until the project is finished.

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 28 2019 7:14 PM

Thank you Kyle and team for your diligent work!

Perhaps a question out of ignorance: How do we see the richness that's now being added to the Theology Guide through this tagging work?

From what I can tell (from a cursory look), this additional annotation work primarily enhances the "Systematic Theologies" section of the Theology Guide, and does not enhance the other sections, is that correct?

Is the LST itself being enhanced / expanded as more Systematic Theologies are being parsed?

Peter

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 28 2019 8:20 PM

PL:

Thank you Kyle and team for your diligent work!

Perhaps a question out of ignorance: How do we see the richness that's now being added to the Theology Guide through this tagging work?

From what I can tell (from a cursory look), this additional annotation work primarily enhances the "Systematic Theologies" section of the Theology Guide, and does not enhance the other sections, is that correct?

Is the LST itself being enhanced / expanded as more Systematic Theologies are being parsed?

Peter

You're correct: these additional resources will enhance the Systematic Theologies section of the Theology Guide. We're not currently expanding to new concepts. 

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 16 2019 7:57 AM

I apologize but there won't be an update to the Theology Guide today. In converting the data base there was a bug that I wasn't able to get resolved in time.

I intend to have an update in two weeks. Thank you for your patience.

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Jim Carlile | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Apr 20 2019 3:05 PM

Thanks for the work all of you are doing on this. I just finished trying the "Workflow Guide for Exploring Christian Doctrine" based on the article by Dr. Ward in the March/April BSM. I wanted to do comparisons of several doctrines from various denominations. I tried to reference several other  Theologies & Dogmatics in my library without success. The only ones that came up seemed to be from a Baptist or Reformed background. I would love to see a way to bring other references from my library into this guide. 

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 22 2019 12:49 PM

Jim Carlile:

Thanks for the work all of you are doing on this. I just finished trying the "Workflow Guide for Exploring Christian Doctrine" based on the article by Dr. Ward in the March/April BSM. I wanted to do comparisons of several doctrines from various denominations. I tried to reference several other  Theologies & Dogmatics in my library without success. The only ones that came up seemed to be from a Baptist or Reformed background. I would love to see a way to bring other references from my library into this guide. 

Jim:

Our goal is to annotate all the systematic theology resources that Logos publishes so that they're integrated into the Theology Guide. So eventually this will organize the different resources you own against the doctrines covered in the Theology Guide. It will take us some time to reach that goal, however. Also note that we're not currently annotating denominational positions on particular doctrines, though in many cases that will follow from the denominational flavor of the resource as a whole. 

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Jim Carlile | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 22 2019 2:36 PM

Thanks

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 30 2019 8:56 AM

Rather than continue to post lists of resources that have been annotated I created a new thread to provide that information. You can find it here.

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