Experience with speed of Bible/Morph searches

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Lankford Oxendine | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jan 26 2019 8:37 PM

From time to time people will complain about the speed of Logos. When this happens, it is not uncommon for people to claim that they experience no sluggishness with Logos. For people who have no speed problems, does that include searches?  Here is my experience with Logos 8 and a 2018 MacBook Pro (quad core i7, fast SSD, 16GB Ram).

Bible search <Lemma = lbs/el/εἷς>

Verses option = 7 secs

Analysis option = 14 secs

Are users experiencing significantly faster results? If not, do you believe that this is acceptable for such an expensive piece of software? I have heard that Accordance is essentially instantaneous in this regard  (though I'm not sure). The above search produced 355 results for my particular text. The analysis option becomes basically useless for searches over 1000. Would love to hear your thoughts.  Thanks!

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2019 10:28 PM

You don't specify what you're searching.

If I'm searching the NA28, the Grid, Verses, and Aligned, all take 1s or less. Analysis took 7s. But even Top Bibles takes less than 2s.

This is on a six-year old PC.

It would probably be slower if it was the first thing I did after rebooting the PC (fewer files cached in RAM).

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Lankford Oxendine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2019 10:45 PM

Thanks for the reply Mark.  I was searching the KJV 1900.  I repeated the same search on the NA27 (I've not yet acquired the NA28) with the following results.

Verses = 6 secs

Analysis = 4 secs

Weird that the analysis was actually faster.  I tested several times with the same results.  It is hard to imagine that Logos runs that much faster on PCs than Macs??

By the way, I should specify that my posted times are when the search finishes and not the time it takes for information to first appear (Verses option).

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2019 11:15 PM

Lankford Oxendine:
The above search produced 355 results for my particular text.

Strange - I got 1,773. Are we running a different search?

Lankford Oxendine:
By the way, I should specify that my posted times are when the search finishes and not the time it takes for information to first appear (Verses option).

That's an important distinction.

How are you measuring that? I think normally measurements given relate to the time displayed in the search window (in the case above 0.21 sec)

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Lankford Oxendine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2019 11:21 PM

Hello Graham,

We are indeed searching different words.  I did a search for heis (rough breathing mark).  I believe you did a search on eis (smooth).  I'm measuring the time from when I hit enter until the search animation finishes (the flashing/pulsating horizontal boxes).

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 26 2019 11:51 PM

Lankford Oxendine:
 I did a search for heis (rough breathing mark).

Thanks - sorry I missed that

Lankford Oxendine:
 I'm measuring the time from when I hit enter until the search animation finishes (the flashing/pulsating horizontal boxes).

When I do that search it finishes - as you are defining it - in 4.5 seconds in Verses view.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 27 2019 7:32 AM

Lankford Oxendine:
 I'm measuring the time from when I hit enter until the search animation finishes (the flashing/pulsating horizontal boxes).

Why? That makes no sense to me. Most of the time the animation is running is taken up with background tasks that have no impact on your ability to use the results of the search. Surely all that matters is whether you can use the results of the search.

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Lankford Oxendine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 27 2019 9:04 AM

Mark Barnes:

Why? That makes no sense to me. Most of the time the animation is running is taken up with background tasks that have no impact on your ability to use the results of the search. Surely all that matters is whether you can use the results of the search.

Ok, so what about the Analysis option?  Nothing appears until the search is completely finished.  When searching for heis (344 hits) in an English translation, it takes 14 secs before we have the ability to interact with the results.  Theos takes 50 secs (ESV) and 13 secs (NA27).

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 27 2019 9:08 AM

Lankford Oxendine:
When searching for heis (344 hits) in an English translation, it takes 14 secs before we have the ability to interact with the results.

True - but it is doing quite a bit of work!

In my experience, the Analysis view has always taken time to populate, I simply assumed it was related to the amount of processing required.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 27 2019 9:35 AM

Lankford Oxendine:
Ok, so what about the Analysis option?  Nothing appears until the search is completely finished.  When searching for heis (344 hits) in an English translation, it takes 14 secs before we have the ability to interact with the results.  Theos takes 50 secs (ESV) and 13 secs (NA27).

Sure. Analysis takes a lot longer. That's why it's optional. But you only need it for special occasions, and when you do, it's worth waiting for. As Graham says, Analysis view is doing a huge amount of processing, across multiple databases — and there's not really an equivalent in Accordance to compare it with.

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Lankford Oxendine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 27 2019 12:40 PM

Mark Barnes:

As Graham says, Analysis view is doing a huge amount of processing, across multiple databases — and there's not really an equivalent in Accordance to compare it with.

Ok, fair enough.  I'm happy to find out that Analysis searches in Greek are significantly faster than searches in English.

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