Price Issues with MM Collections

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RMC | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 4 2019 8:14 AM

Here are a few screenshots - straight from what shows on the "new to me" dropdown, with everything expanded.

Now, Granted, I see that if I select "all resources", there are a few extra that are not shown here in New To Me that would actually be new to me, that I didn't see when I first posted - these do make a significant difference, because they are pricey resources.

ICC commentary - 43.99

New Testament Library Series - $28.99 and $35.99

IVP Bible Dictionary - $59.99

These bring the total up to $609.79, so that I get about a $40 discount for purchasing the bundle rather than individually., about 7%.  Far, far better than at first glance once you account for the bugs that they have admitted to.  Perhaps Logos is keeping the bundle prices relatively tightly tied to retail until MM discounts are applied?

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 4 2019 8:52 AM

RMC:
These bring the total up to $609.79, so that I get about a $40 discount for purchasing the bundle rather than individually., about 7%. Far, far better than at first glance

Good to see!

RMC:
Perhaps Logos is keeping the bundle prices relatively tightly tied to retail until MM discounts are applied?

Yes, I think so. 

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Daniel Motley (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 4 2019 10:05 AM

Dale E Heath:

I'm assuming PDP is Prepriatory Darn Program and SRP is Silly Random Picking.Surprise

Big Smile

Apparently I didn't have enough coffee on Friday and decided to use "insider baseball" talk! PDP = product page, SRP = standard retail price. Sorry for that!

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Daniel Motley (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 4 2019 10:10 AM

Daniel Radke:

Daniel Motley (Faithlife):

Dynamic pricing at the top of the page is working correctly.

No, it's not. Please see my previous post above.

Hi Daniel (excellent name, our parents had good taste!),

There is an error in the section "When you purchase..." that is calculating the collection prices of all the individual resource prices rather than the individual prices themselves. We are working on a fix for that and I'll let you all know once it's been deployed.

The "Your Exclusive Price" section showcases the same price as the "Retail Price" or "Dynamic Price" section at the top of the page, not the sum of the individual product prices shown under the "Individual Titles" header. That's working as intended. The section pulls in the current price of that individual resource on our website. The item may be on sale at this time, which is why you may see a lower price when you add them up as opposed to the current sale price.

Keep in mind -- these collections have not been discounted yet! LMM is just getting started and the discounts will push the price of these collections even lower.

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John Kight | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 4 2019 10:54 AM

Does the price of any given collection reflect Academic discount of individual resources in the total price it displays on the product page? That may be part of the reason some of us are seeing different prices individually.

For example, the collection on Hebrews lists at nearly $80. The individual price lists around $47 because of my academic discount. 

IMO, if the collections don't account for current individual price (as discussed above), then this sale ins't going to be much of a sale for many of us. At the very least, I think we should be paying as much as our individual resource total minus what we own (i.e. dynamic price). Not more!   

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Daniel Motley (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 4 2019 10:59 AM

Hi John,

Yes, for those that have Academic pricing enabled, they will see that reflected in the individual pricing as displayed in the "New to You" section.

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John Kight | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 4 2019 11:23 AM

Daniel Motley (Faithlife):

Yes, for those that have Academic pricing enabled, they will see that reflected in the individual pricing as displayed in the "New to You" section.

Thanks Daniel! I figured as much. My question was more reflected in that being the reason for such a big discrepancy between the "New to You" and listed price of the collection. If I can buy these titles cheaper individually with my Academic pricing, then the concept of collection being on sale during March Madness isn't very appealing (at least in the first several rounds). 

-John 

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 4 2019 11:38 AM

John Kight:

Daniel Motley (Faithlife):

Yes, for those that have Academic pricing enabled, they will see that reflected in the individual pricing as displayed in the "New to You" section.

Thanks Daniel! I figured as much. My question was more reflected in that being the reason for such a big discrepancy between the "New to You" and listed price of the collection. If I can buy these titles cheaper individually with my Academic pricing, then the concept of collection being on sale during March Madness isn't very appealing (at least in the first several rounds). 

-John 

My reading is somewhat cursory being at work but I briefly looked at my collections and found the total of  the "dynamic price" at the top to be about $100 more than all the titles "new to you" individually.  Not really enticing.

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Daniel Motley (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 4 2019 11:43 AM

Hi Friedrich,

This is because the collections aren't currently on sale yet. Make sure to vote on your favorite books of the Bible so that your preferred book gets its bundle discounted even further!

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John Kight | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 4 2019 11:55 AM

Daniel Motley (Faithlife):

Hi Friedrich,

This is because the collections aren't currently on sale yet. Make sure to vote on your favorite books of the Bible so that your preferred book gets its bundle discounted even further!

Friedrich's point is, for those bundles where the collection price is (in some cases significantly) more than our current individual price, the sale price when they do go on sale will be minimal, if any.

It's not really a sale when you bundle a bunch of books together, price them significantly more than what we would pay for them individually, only to discount them as a "sale" for potentially still more than what we would pay individually. Let's be honest.  

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Daniel Radke | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 4 2019 12:25 PM

John Kight:

Daniel Motley (Faithlife):

Yes, for those that have Academic pricing enabled, they will see that reflected in the individual pricing as displayed in the "New to You" section.

Thanks Daniel! I figured as much. My question was more reflected in that being the reason for such a big discrepancy between the "New to You" and listed price of the collection. If I can buy these titles cheaper individually with my Academic pricing, then the concept of collection being on sale during March Madness isn't very appealing (at least in the first several rounds). 

-John 

Thank you for the clarifications. Unfortunately, I share John's sentiments, but it all makes sense now.

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Daniel Radke | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 4 2019 12:27 PM

John Kight:

Friedrich's point is, for those bundles where the collection price is (in some cases significantly) more than our current individual price, the sale price when they do go on sale will be minimal, if any.

It's not really a sale when you bundle a bunch of books together, price them significantly more than what we would pay for them individually, only to discount them as a "sale" for potentially still more than what we would pay individually. Let's be honest.  

I agree with this. In the past I have been very excited about Logos March Madness. Not this year, sadly.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 4 2019 12:34 PM

John Kight:

Daniel Motley (Faithlife):

Hi Friedrich,

This is because the collections aren't currently on sale yet. Make sure to vote on your favorite books of the Bible so that your preferred book gets its bundle discounted even further!

Friedrich's point is, for those bundles where the collection price is (in some cases significantly) more than our current individual price, the sale price when they do go on sale will be minimal, if any.

This would be a DP error at the current, non-discounted collection. Please provide detailed examples of self-added prices (Logos prices for "new to you" suffer from two bugs, thius are not to be trusted) to verify such.

I don't know about all factors (such as academic pricing) and all bundles, but so far all cases I calculated for myself and all I've seen detailed in the forums came to the collection price being the same or slightly less than the total of current individual prices - there could be rare instances where the collection is small and contains a significantly discounted resource, such as a commentary in the daily deal or the monthly sale (where it's prudent to buy it indvidually), but normally the DP of a collection should be smaller than the sum of individual prices of the resources contained.  

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John Kight | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 4 2019 1:29 PM

NB.Mick:
This would be a DP error at the current, non-discounted collection. Please provide detailed examples of self-added prices (Logos prices for "new to you" suffer from two bugs, thius are not to be trusted) to verify such

Here is the example from the Hebrews Collection illustrated above:

 

Notice the note at the bottom of the "New to You" page. This was added after the issue was initially brought up in this thread. If this is the case, as it seems to be, then for those of use who have a Academic Discount applied, we are going to be charged more for the collection than individual titles because the collection isnt taking into consideration the current price of the individual books. The collection is a set price that is discounted based on what you own (i.e. Dynamic Pricing), not what you would pay for the books that you don't own.

 

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 4 2019 2:40 PM

John Kight:
Here is the example from the Hebrews Collection illustrated above:

This is not a detailed enough example to determine whether DP is broken, as we can't see whether you will really only get 3 books. One of the existent bugs is that the "New to you" page is notoriously incomplete - you could actually get e.g. 6 books. You need to open the "All" view and the expand all sub-bundles included to see the new books you are getting and the individual price they would cost to you.

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 4 2019 4:46 PM

NB.Mick:

John Kight:
Here is the example from the Hebrews Collection illustrated above:

This is not a detailed enough example to determine whether DP is broken, as we can't see whether you will really only get 3 books. One of the existent bugs is that the "New to you" page is notoriously incomplete - you could actually get e.g. 6 books. You need to open the "All" view and the expand all sub-bundles included to see the new books you are getting and the individual price they would cost to you.

I do see what you are saying now.  I took a look at the Hebrews collection.  It said I was getting "11 resources" for $424.11.  After I expanded the collections (that it said I owned) I discovered another six volumes.  The total "if sold separately" came up to $451.83. a difference of $27.72, with the dynamic price being cheaper.

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Daniel Motley (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 5 2019 4:14 PM

Hi all,

We have made changes to the pricing structure for Logos March Madness. Please see this forum thread for more information: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/179603/1037978.aspx 

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