Faithlife - The dynamic pricing math doesn't add up on many (ALL that I checked!) of these MM Collections (see below example). I assume that this will be addressed before discounts are applied for the contest.
Same here! But, some of the specials are 'more' special than others. My favourite is the Genesis Study Collection! Price of $33.86 for NO additional books...that is really special!
It is actually a bug with the "New to you" calculation! If you scroll to the bottom of each of the Collection pages you will see resources that truly are N2Y but not showing up in the section near the top of the page. For example, with the Genesis Collection I do not own the Genesis commentary from "The Old and New Testament Library Series" and it is normally priced at $35.99.
I've noticed a number of collections like this. Look at the list at the bottom under More details for the titles with stars. My collection for 2 Timothy says I have 4 new books but there are 5 with stars. In my case the missing volume is https://www.logos.com/product/5886/the-pauline-writings which is part of a collection own one volume of. Is there a bug with partially owned collections?
Hi all,
We're encountering an issue with the PDP that is counting the SRP of an entire collection in the "When you purchase..." section. We're working to fix the issue and will update you when we've deployed a fix.
Dynamic pricing at the top of the page is working correctly.
Hi all, We're encountering an issue with the PDP that is counting the SRP of an entire collection in the "When you purchase..." section. We're working to fix the issue and will update you when we've deployed a fix.
I'm assuming PDP is Prepriatory Darn Program and SRP is Silly Random Picking.[:O]
What we need is a PLMPMOP-WIWTM! (pronounced plimp mop - why whit em)
Please Let Me Pick My Own Price - What It's Worth To Me![:P]
these MM Collections
Where are these collections? I can't seem to find them....
Choose one of the matches and click on the icon and the page will appear.
Or click on "See included resources."
All bundles I've seen in the MM promo are overpriced for me. Some of them state:
'Individual products included in this collection are currently sale priced. Purchasing the individual volumes in this collection may be more cost effective than purchasing the collection itself.'
And other ones don't say so but I'm afraid the price of the bundle keeps being far higher than purchasing the individual resources one by one. Thnigs may change once we know the winners but the overprice is so high that I don't expect it to be the case.
So I think dynamic pricing is not working well this time. At least for me.
Thanks.
I'm afraid the price of the bundle keeps being far higher than purchasing the individual resources one by one. (...) So I think dynamic pricing is not working well this time.
I'm afraid the price of the bundle keeps being far higher than purchasing the individual resources one by one. (...)
So I think dynamic pricing is not working well this time.
I don't think you are right. The problem is with showing the "New to you" books and the "you'll get xxx new resources that would cost YYY$" - those are two bugs coming together:
I'm afraid the price of the bundle keeps being far higher than purchasing the individual resources one by one. (...) So I think dynamic pricing is not working well this time. I don't think you are right. The problem is with showing the "New to you" books and the "you'll get xxx new resources that would cost YYY$" - those are two bugs coming together.
I don't think you are right. The problem is with showing the "New to you" books and the "you'll get xxx new resources that would cost YYY$" - those are two bugs coming together.
You are right that the number of "New to You" books does not line up with how many are actually new to you. For the 2 Timothy Study Collection, the "New To You" lists I would gain 20 new books, when in reality I would gain 30. However, following the steps you outlined I still come up with a price discrepancy. If I add up the cost of all of the volumes I actually do not own, the price to buy them individually would be $553.72. However, the "dynamic price" is listed at $609.78. There is still something wrong with dynamic pricing.
No, it's not. Please see my previous post above.
If I add up the cost of all of the volumes I actually do not own, the price to buy them individually would be $553.72. However, the "dynamic price" is listed at $609.78. There is still something wrong with dynamic pricing.
Are any of the items on sale? If so, it's possible and normal to buy books individually for less than what the bundle would cost.
A situation like that wouldn't be a problem with dynamic pricing.
If I add up the cost of all of the volumes I actually do not own, the price to buy them individually would be $553.72. However, the "dynamic price" is listed at $609.78. There is still something wrong with dynamic pricing. Are any of the items on sale? If so, it's possible and normal to buy books individually for less than what the bundle would cost. A situation like that wouldn't be a problem with dynamic pricing.
I was going based upon the "Value if sold separately" listed on the 2 Timothy Study Collection page for each individual resource I do not own.
My understanding is that when an item in a collection like this is on sale, it DOES affect your dynamic price. I believe I have seen this effect for base packages (at least).
My understanding is that when an item in a collection like this is on sale, it DOES affect your dynamic price.
Typically not. It is common for individual items to go on sale, but for a collection price to not reflect the sale.
Occasionally there is a disclaimer on a product page, saying "Individual products included in this collection are currently sale priced. Purchasing the individual volumes in this collection may be more cost effective than purchasing the collection itself." But that disclaimer doesn't seem to automatically appear.
The collection itself would have to go on sale to affect your dynamic price, which is what will be happening for March Madness.
I've noticed the same thing as Daniel.
It's cheaper, in some cases FAR cheaper, to purchase the titles individually than through the dynamically priced bundle.
For example, the 21 new-to-me resources in the James collection would cost $440.79 to purchase on their own. The dynamic price at the top of the page is $569.72.
The 23 new-to-me resources in the Romans collection would cost $622.77 on their own. The dynamic price is $632.65.
The 41 new-to-me resources in the Revelation collection would cost $663.65 on their own. Dynamic price is $668.10
Am I missing something? It's possible, at least on Romans and Revelation that my math is a little off and it's the same price to purchase either individually or as a bundle - but is that the intent? I did check the "new to me" issue, and adjusting for that James is priced closer to the dynamic pricing. Is this what was intended - that the bundles would be priced very close to the full purchase price, and that the MM discount would end up being the "bundle" discount?
I would like some clear answers on this before we move on to the next round and discounts start to be applied. This seems like a big mess with added confusion layered in between. Is it fixed and can we have confidence that the numbers are correct? I'm still seeing some pretty BIG discrepancies on my end.
It's cheaper, in some cases FAR cheaper, to purchase the titles individually than through the dynamically priced bundle. For example, the 21 new-to-me resources in the James collection would cost $440.79 to purchase on their own. The dynamic price at the top of the page is $569.72.
Can you share some screenshots? How did you arrive at the 440.79?
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Here are a few screenshots - straight from what shows on the "new to me" dropdown, with everything expanded.
Now, Granted, I see that if I select "all resources", there are a few extra that are not shown here in New To Me that would actually be new to me, that I didn't see when I first posted - these do make a significant difference, because they are pricey resources.
ICC commentary - 43.99
New Testament Library Series - $28.99 and $35.99
IVP Bible Dictionary - $59.99
These bring the total up to $609.79, so that I get about a $40 discount for purchasing the bundle rather than individually., about 7%. Far, far better than at first glance once you account for the bugs that they have admitted to. Perhaps Logos is keeping the bundle prices relatively tightly tied to retail until MM discounts are applied?
These bring the total up to $609.79, so that I get about a $40 discount for purchasing the bundle rather than individually., about 7%. Far, far better than at first glance
Good to see!
Perhaps Logos is keeping the bundle prices relatively tightly tied to retail until MM discounts are applied?
Yes, I think so.
I'm assuming PDP is Prepriatory Darn Program and SRP is Silly Random Picking.
[:D]
Apparently I didn't have enough coffee on Friday and decided to use "insider baseball" talk! PDP = product page, SRP = standard retail price. Sorry for that!
Dynamic pricing at the top of the page is working correctly. No, it's not. Please see my previous post above.
Hi Daniel (excellent name, our parents had good taste!),
There is an error in the section "When you purchase..." that is calculating the collection prices of all the individual resource prices rather than the individual prices themselves. We are working on a fix for that and I'll let you all know once it's been deployed.
The "Your Exclusive Price" section showcases the same price as the "Retail Price" or "Dynamic Price" section at the top of the page, not the sum of the individual product prices shown under the "Individual Titles" header. That's working as intended. The section pulls in the current price of that individual resource on our website. The item may be on sale at this time, which is why you may see a lower price when you add them up as opposed to the current sale price.
Keep in mind -- these collections have not been discounted yet! LMM is just getting started and the discounts will push the price of these collections even lower.
Does the price of any given collection reflect Academic discount of individual resources in the total price it displays on the product page? That may be part of the reason some of us are seeing different prices individually.
For example, the collection on Hebrews lists at nearly $80. The individual price lists around $47 because of my academic discount.
IMO, if the collections don't account for current individual price (as discussed above), then this sale ins't going to be much of a sale for many of us. At the very least, I think we should be paying as much as our individual resource total minus what we own (i.e. dynamic price). Not more!
Hi John,
Yes, for those that have Academic pricing enabled, they will see that reflected in the individual pricing as displayed in the "New to You" section.
Thanks Daniel! I figured as much. My question was more reflected in that being the reason for such a big discrepancy between the "New to You" and listed price of the collection. If I can buy these titles cheaper individually with my Academic pricing, then the concept of collection being on sale during March Madness isn't very appealing (at least in the first several rounds).
-John
Yes, for those that have Academic pricing enabled, they will see that reflected in the individual pricing as displayed in the "New to You" section. Thanks Daniel! I figured as much. My question was more reflected in that being the reason for such a big discrepancy between the "New to You" and listed price of the collection. If I can buy these titles cheaper individually with my Academic pricing, then the concept of collection being on sale during March Madness isn't very appealing (at least in the first several rounds). -John
My reading is somewhat cursory being at work but I briefly looked at my collections and found the total of the "dynamic price" at the top to be about $100 more than all the titles "new to you" individually. Not really enticing.
Hi Friedrich,
This is because the collections aren't currently on sale yet. Make sure to vote on your favorite books of the Bible so that your preferred book gets its bundle discounted even further!
Hi Friedrich, This is because the collections aren't currently on sale yet. Make sure to vote on your favorite books of the Bible so that your preferred book gets its bundle discounted even further!
Friedrich's point is, for those bundles where the collection price is (in some cases significantly) more than our current individual price, the sale price when they do go on sale will be minimal, if any.
It's not really a sale when you bundle a bunch of books together, price them significantly more than what we would pay for them individually, only to discount them as a "sale" for potentially still more than what we would pay individually. Let's be honest.
Thank you for the clarifications. Unfortunately, I share John's sentiments, but it all makes sense now.
Friedrich's point is, for those bundles where the collection price is (in some cases significantly) more than our current individual price, the sale price when they do go on sale will be minimal, if any. It's not really a sale when you bundle a bunch of books together, price them significantly more than what we would pay for them individually, only to discount them as a "sale" for potentially still more than what we would pay individually. Let's be honest.
I agree with this. In the past I have been very excited about Logos March Madness. Not this year, sadly.
Hi Friedrich, This is because the collections aren't currently on sale yet. Make sure to vote on your favorite books of the Bible so that your preferred book gets its bundle discounted even further! Friedrich's point is, for those bundles where the collection price is (in some cases significantly) more than our current individual price, the sale price when they do go on sale will be minimal, if any.
This would be a DP error at the current, non-discounted collection. Please provide detailed examples of self-added prices (Logos prices for "new to you" suffer from two bugs, thius are not to be trusted) to verify such.
I don't know about all factors (such as academic pricing) and all bundles, but so far all cases I calculated for myself and all I've seen detailed in the forums came to the collection price being the same or slightly less than the total of current individual prices - there could be rare instances where the collection is small and contains a significantly discounted resource, such as a commentary in the daily deal or the monthly sale (where it's prudent to buy it indvidually), but normally the DP of a collection should be smaller than the sum of individual prices of the resources contained.
This would be a DP error at the current, non-discounted collection. Please provide detailed examples of self-added prices (Logos prices for "new to you" suffer from two bugs, thius are not to be trusted) to verify such
Here is the example from the Hebrews Collection illustrated above:
Notice the note at the bottom of the "New to You" page. This was added after the issue was initially brought up in this thread. If this is the case, as it seems to be, then for those of use who have a Academic Discount applied, we are going to be charged more for the collection than individual titles because the collection isnt taking into consideration the current price of the individual books. The collection is a set price that is discounted based on what you own (i.e. Dynamic Pricing), not what you would pay for the books that you don't own.
This is not a detailed enough example to determine whether DP is broken, as we can't see whether you will really only get 3 books. One of the existent bugs is that the "New to you" page is notoriously incomplete - you could actually get e.g. 6 books. You need to open the "All" view and the expand all sub-bundles included to see the new books you are getting and the individual price they would cost to you.
Here is the example from the Hebrews Collection illustrated above: This is not a detailed enough example to determine whether DP is broken, as we can't see whether you will really only get 3 books. One of the existent bugs is that the "New to you" page is notoriously incomplete - you could actually get e.g. 6 books. You need to open the "All" view and the expand all sub-bundles included to see the new books you are getting and the individual price they would cost to you.
I do see what you are saying now. I took a look at the Hebrews collection. It said I was getting "11 resources" for $424.11. After I expanded the collections (that it said I owned) I discovered another six volumes. The total "if sold separately" came up to $451.83. a difference of $27.72, with the dynamic price being cheaper.
We have made changes to the pricing structure for Logos March Madness. Please see this forum thread for more information: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/179603/1037978.aspx
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