Most Important Logos 8 Bugs and Improvements for Academic/Seminary Users

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Mar 15 2019 9:44 PM

During the next six months, we plan to make some improvements to Logos 8 for academic and seminary users with an emphasis on original language study.

We'll be investing in fixing bugs, improving existing UI and features, and maybe a little bit of new feature work.

What bugs would you like to see us fix? What areas of the software would you like to see us improve? Feel free to include issues for desktop, mobile, and web. If there are existing threads that discuss your issue in more detail and you can find them, it would be helpful if you include a link to them in your post.

We already have a list of things we'd like to address, but I'd love to cross-reference that against the things you'd like to see us do.

Please keep your requests focused on the kinds of things relevant to the needs of the academic/seminary audience with a special focus on original language study.

Thanks!

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JohnHubris | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 15 2019 11:27 PM

I would love to be able to view the translations within commentary series as translations to compare with other translations.

That is I want to see how the NICNT, WBC, ZECNT in-commentary translations compare to the ESV and the original greek/hebrew.  Eg. attached appendix which took a while to make.

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Manuel Maria | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 16 2019 12:48 AM

Thank you for asking!

I'd like to have the lexicon information of any word just right-clicking.

Another suggestion would be to have a collaborative way to include answers and commentaries to the exercises proposed in languages textbooks.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 16 2019 1:47 AM

1. n-tuple function in the concordance function so that occurrence of multi-lexeme elements can be studied.

2. ability to provide a manual stemming table for both the concordance and search functions - this would not only handle the exceptions but also allow older texts with variant spellings to be found more easily.

3. Option to show all possible parsing of a manuscript lexical item - root and morphology - to encourage the learning of actually reading the language rather than accepting Logos tagging as true. Especially useful if linked, when relevant, to a commentary that supports the particular parsing.

4. ability to add bible milestones to psalters and bibles from Text Creation Partnership

5. Repair BUG: Display of thorn forms and all other font issues

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Jordan Litchfield | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 16 2019 3:53 AM

Off the top of my head, I seem to remember that neither the morphology charts nor the tagging of the LHB have ever been completely finished. It seems to me that both of these would be a must for academic/seminary users.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 16 2019 5:08 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
We'll be investing in fixing bugs, improving existing UI and features, and maybe a little bit of new feature work.

The performance of the context menu is a big one for me. It's grown out of control, and it's the most important and most used tool when I'm in the original languages. While you're fixing it up, we also need to be able to execute Milestone searches from the context menu.

This might not fit tightly in your definition of 'original languages', but the biggest single improvement you could make to Bible searching would be to add wildcard searching to labels/datatypes, so you could search for all women, or all cities, or even all people. There's dozens and dozens of academic and lay uses for that feature.

A few bugs that fit broadly into this category are:

And some more minor ones:

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Andrew116 | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 16 2019 5:09 AM

Yep. THis. 

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 16 2019 8:31 AM

MJ. Smith:
3. Option to show all possible parsing of a manuscript lexical item - root and morphology

YesYes  identify possible alternative parsing. 8-case vs. 5-case. Knowing these differences permits the academician to dialogue outside his/her own institution.

In a similar vein - the dialogue between time and aspect in the Greek Verbal system should be indicated in such a manner that avoids dogmatism from either camp. (I learned time in undergrad, and took Greek again 20 years later in grad school and the Verbal Aspect perspective forced me to "unlearn" much that I thought I knew)

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Andrew Biddinger | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 16 2019 9:44 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

...mobile...

I'd like to suggest improving the mobile orignial word study ui with a "One Click Word Study Panel." I quickly put together a mockup below of how it could look and work. Right now doing word studies in mobile is slow and clunky. I use Android mainly, but ios could use this kind improvement as well!

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Robert Kelbe | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 16 2019 10:34 AM

Is Logos set up for writing papers within Logos? Do most people do this as a Sermon?

Edit: I am not intending to hijack this thread, but I guess this is by way of suggestion... If the only way to write a paper in Logos is as a sermon or a note, perhaps that could be one area of improvement?

(But people with more experience may say that there is another way to do it that I don't know about.)

Edit: I guess you just write the paper in word and upload it as a Personal Book? I guess that's fine with me...

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 16 2019 10:51 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
What bugs would you like to see us fix? 

In the desktop software, it would be very helpful if, when using the Passage Guide, clicking to expand/close the preview list of three (only three Sad) results for an item in a Collection never sent me (my visual focus) back to the top of the Collection section, as it frequently does now and has as long as I can remember. This bug makes using the PG exceedingly tedious when there are lots of results.

EDIT:

Fr Devin Roza:
I still would like to use this (New Testament Use of the Old testament Interactive) in class... and it is still as broken and utterly useless a tool as ever. The content is good enough, but the tool just doesn't work (in all the ways already mentioned in this thread).

https://community.logos.com/forums/t/119433.aspx

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Robert Kelbe | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 16 2019 3:10 PM

Thinking about it more, as someone seriously considering seminary in the fall, I have to say the biggest thing you could add is not any new features but simply fixing the touchscreen/ pen support. Most people my age have a touchscreen laptop or convertible tablet. We expect modern Windows programs to work with mouse, touchpad, touch, pen, or any combination of those. Even when I have a touchpad, I find myself regularly reaching up to the touchscreen for one thing or another. When I am mostly reading rather than typing, I often take the keyboard of of my Surface Pro tablet and read as a tablet. I also use it as a tablet in Bible studies or other places where I don't want my laptop to be as conspicuous. I would love to use Logos that way as well, except that it is currently almost impossible to navigate Logos without a mouse. Making it work consistently with the built-in Windows handwriting panel would be really nice as well. Currently it is sporadic - it works in prayer lists, but not notes.

I bought Logos knowing these issues, but only because I fully expect them to be fixed in my lifetime. Hope that is sooner rather than later!

https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-8/suggestions/619605-focus-on-tablet-and-touchscreen-features

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 16 2019 5:07 PM

I have often found that when you switch from an interlinear language view with the ESV that you don't wind up at the same verse. It's kind of wonky. 

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 16 2019 6:29 PM

Give BHS a thorough once-over for orthographic/encoding issues: x-ref this thread.

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 18 2019 1:01 AM

Glad to hear you'll be working on this. Here are some things I would consider priorities:

  1. Ability to build complex searches using a sidebar/drop-down menu. We need to be able to use the amazing search capabilities of the software without having to remember how to write all the commands and curly brackets and so on. 
  2. Build "Information management" into the notes tool. The most important building block that is still missing is structured tagging. This would allow a researcher to, for example, create structured tags that reflect a future table of contents an article or book they are working on, and add clippings and notes to different sections of that table of contents as they research. That is, not only are you taking notes and clipping, but you are organizing them in the software as you research.  
  3. Redesign the context menu for speed and better utility. It is constantly used by academic and seminary users.
  4. Fix the "New Testament's use of the Old Testament" interactive - The "Original Language" button of this interactive is broken, making what should be one of the most useful interactives for the classroom and study almost entirely useless. It has been broken for over three years now. Cf. https://community.logos.com/forums/t/119433.aspx?PageIndex=1 
  5. Revise the Lexham Survey of Theology with an ecumenical team of theologians - I know this isn't programming as such, but it is important to allow academic use of the Theology Guide. Currently the base text of the theology guide, the Lexham Survey of Theology, is written from a orthodox Evangelical perspective. While I consider it fundamental that any Theology Guide produced by Lexham reflect faithfully the orthodox Evangelical perspective, it should also reflect faithfully other perspectives, such as the Catholic, Orthodox, and other traditions within Protestantism. At the very least, I can attest that it does not do so as regards Catholicism. I think this is understandable given there were no Catholics or Orthodox on the team of scholars who designed it and reviewed it. This greatly limits its usefulness within academic circles, where an openness to representing other peoples viewpoints in ways they can affirm as accurate is essential. 

There are other points, of course, but I think those five would be what I would see as top priorities. 

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 18 2019 2:48 AM

Export to LaTeX, especially for handling language boundary transition correctly.

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Michael S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 18 2019 4:06 AM

Works Cited.

What good is it if when I copy and paste from a resource, the works citation is not correctly formatted?  It even lets you pick the format (Turabian, Chicago, etc..), why if it is not correctly formatted?  

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JH | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 18 2019 5:29 AM

Fr Devin Roza:

  1. Revise the Lexham Survey of Theology with an ecumenical team of theologians - I know this isn't programming as such, but it is important to allow academic use of the Theology Guide. Currently the base text of the theology guide, the Lexham Survey of Theology, is written from a orthodox Evangelical perspective. While I consider it fundamental that any Theology Guide produced by Lexham reflect faithfully the orthodox Evangelical perspective, it should also reflect faithfully other perspectives, such as the Catholic, Orthodox, and other traditions within Protestantism. At the very least, I can attest that it does not do so as regards Catholicism. I think this is understandable given there were no Catholics or Orthodox on the team of scholars who designed it and reviewed it. This greatly limits its usefulness within academic circles, where an openness to representing other peoples viewpoints in ways they can affirm as accurate is essential. 

Faithlife, if make this sort of revision to the LST, please consider adding the ability to filter by tradition (as difficult as that might be). This would make it much easier from an academic viewpoint to focus on a particular tradition and compare/contrast them on specific points.

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 18 2019 5:51 AM

Fr Devin Roza:

  • Ability to build complex searches using a sidebar/drop-down menu. We need to be able to use the amazing search capabilities of the software without having to remember how to write all the commands and curly brackets and so on. 
  • Build "Information management" into the notes tool. The most important building block that is still missing is structured tagging. This would allow a researcher to, for example, create structured tags that reflect a future table of contents an article or book they are working on, and add clippings and notes to different sections of that table of contents as they research. That is, not only are you taking notes and clipping, but you are organizing them in the software as you research.  
  • Redesign the context menu for speed and better utility. It is constantly used by academic and seminary users.
  • Fix the "New Testament's use of the Old Testament" interactive - The "Original Language" button of this interactive is broken, making what should be one of the most useful interactives for the classroom and study almost entirely useless. It has been broken for over three years now. Cf. https://community.logos.com/forums/t/119433.aspx?PageIndex=1 

Thank you, FL, for considering these.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 18 2019 6:33 AM

Thread => Help with a how to.... for learning Original Language words. Idea for Reader's Edition is choosing to hide words occurring less than ### times (so frequently appearing words have inline interlinear).

Dreaming of a filter so can exclude resources from search whose explicit copyright does not allow snippets to be printed for other students to use in their papers: e.g. inmates in prison who are studying for ministry (who are not allowed to use Logos Bible Software plus have an enforced limit of personal books in their possession).

Example copyright restrictions (so would like to exclude these resources from searches since am not allowed to print snippets for seminary students inside prison to consider for their papers):

All rights reserved. No part of this book may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted in any form or by any means—electronic, mechanical, photocopy, recording, or otherwise—except for brief quotations for the purpose of review or comment, without the prior permission of the publisher, P&R Publishing Company, P.O. Box 817, Phillipsburg, New Jersey 08865-0817.

Richard D. Phillips, Revelation, ed. Richard D. Phillips, Philip Graham Ryken, and Daniel M. Doriani, Reformed Expository Commentary (Phillipsburg, NJ: P&R Publishing, 2017), iv.

 

You may use brief quotations from this commentary in presentations, articles, and books. For all other uses, please write Lexham Press for permission.

JoAnna M. Hoyt, Amos, Jonah, & Micah, ed. H. Wayne House and William D. Barrick, Evangelical Exegetical Commentary (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2018).

 

Hugh Williamson has asserted his right under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act, 1988, to be identified as Author of this work.

All rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, including photocopying, recording, or any information storage or retrieval system, without prior permission in writing from the publishers.

No responsibility for loss caused to any individual or organization acting on or refraining from action as a result of the material in this publication can be accepted by Bloomsbury or the author.

H. G. M. Williamson, A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on Isaiah 1–27: Commentary on Isaiah 6–12, ed. G. I. Davies and C. M. Tuckett, vol. 2, International Critical Commentary (London; New York: Bloomsbury T&T Clark: An Imprint of Bloomsbury Publishing Plc, 2018), iv.

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