Who will we know in heaven

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James William Roberts, Jr. | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Mar 31 2019 6:40 PM

I have several people in a Bible study discussing whether we will know the people we knew on earth in heaven.

I am having trouble finding info to prove/disprove.

Any pointers/answers?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 31 2019 6:47 PM

Luke 16:19-31 but if it's really heaven I will know/remember everyone's name Wink

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 31 2019 8:46 PM

Just to contribute to the thread...

The disciples were able to recognize Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration though they had no photo of what they looked like.  Luke tells us that they appeared with Jesus "in glory".  The point, though, is that they could recognize who they were.  Does that give some indication?

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 31 2019 9:11 PM

1 Corinthians 13:12 (NRSV): For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then we will see face to face. Now I know only in part; then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known.

I always took this to mean we would recognize all, for we are in Christ and Christ knows all and it is Jesus’ pleasure to share. 

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Richard Villanueva | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 31 2019 9:42 PM

A crude search in your library may be: recognize WITHIN 3 WORDS “in Heaven”

I searched this on my phone app and it pulled up some false positives, but several resources that may help your search. It didn’t seem to difficult to separate through.

Running a sermon starter guide or a Factbok search of Heaven may give you some dictionary articles the read through that might yield results. Those are simple starts to use Logos to help find some answers.

As you find pertinent scripture to your search (from those provided in this thread and your searches), you could also run a passage guide of the scripture and see what trails that may lead you down.

A more experienced user may suggest either a resource, more accurate search suggestion, or tip that would help out  

  

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 1 2019 6:08 AM

3 resources in Logos that may assist you:

Bibliotheca Sacra Vol 108  has an article "Will we know each other in Heaven"


"Heaven:  Where is it , its inhabitants and how to get there" By DL Moody


"Heaven" by Randy Alcorn

Each of these resources attempts to answer the question

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James William Roberts, Jr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 1 2019 10:51 AM

Thank all of you who have replied. I found some help. I do not have Randy Alcorn's "Heaven"

I would still be appreciative of any advice.

Thanks again.

https://sites.google.com/a/oldpaths.org.uk/oldpaths-the-sword-of-the-spiritthe-word-of-god--eph-617b/personal-books/jamesroberts-docx

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 2 2019 11:36 AM

Well my dog better recognize me! and according to Alcorn, my buddy will.

mm.

mm.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 2 2019 4:46 PM

Like many such questions, I don't think the available evidence gives a perfectly clear answer. For instance, it says that those in the kingdom are not married (I'm assuming that means to each other, since there is a marriage to the Lamb that will take place). I didn't look it up, but I recall something about some who become ashes underfoot and who will cease to be a memory. This seems to indicate that some form of amnesia will occur that will eliminate recollection of those who meet this fate. My understanding, based on these and other related verses, is that there will be selective and limited recollection. Things that seem to be very important now may be irrelevant once glorified.

To put a finer point on it, YHWH is not at all in the business of fulfilling our plans...He's in the business of fulfilling His own. Things we might like or prefer may carry zero weight or interest or importance to Him. Scripture says we must confirm our will to His. With that in mind, I don't carry much in the way of expectation about the future apart from a clear sense that I ought to want to be there to experience it, whatever it is.

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 2 2019 5:52 PM

James William Roberts, Jr.:

I have several people in a Bible study discussing whether we will know the people we knew on earth in heaven.

I am having trouble finding info to prove/disprove.

Any pointers/answers?

To add to the list of Scriptures mentioned already:
When Saul consulted the witch of Endor (1Sam.28), the unexpected result was the actual Samuel who appeared.

Also, remember there will be a physical resurrection. Our bodies will be like Christ's body, but they will still be our bodies. How can we doubt that we won't recognize each other?

The concept that we all somehow become amorphous non-distinct entities is not at all a Biblical idea - though it does sound very Buddhist (hinayana - sp?). Even the Scriptures above mention encountering saints who are still in the intermediate state. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 2 2019 6:51 PM

Rich DeRuiter:
though it does sound very Buddhist (hinayana - sp?).

Huh?? Buddhists, whether Hinayana or Mahayana, deny the permanence of any entity including substance. There is no permanent "us" to be morphous or amorphous, recognized or not. And even if there were a permanent "us", there is no permanent substance for us to continue in - tangible or intangible, morphous or amorphous. There is only a chain of causation and a way to break that chain (a simplification but close to accurate).

BTW hinayana is a somewhat derogatory term "small wheel" applied to the conservative branch of Buddhism by the Mahayanists ("big wheel"). It is more commonly known as Theravadan Buddhism.

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 2 2019 8:57 PM

James William Roberts, Jr.:

I have several people in a Bible study discussing whether we will know the people we knew on earth in heaven.

I am having trouble finding info to prove/disprove.

Any pointers/answers?

If you believe that believers will be resurrected with a body similar to Jesus' resurrected body, then you can explore the post-resurrection stories. In these stories, Jesus clearly remembered who his apostles were.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2019 4:44 AM

Rich DeRuiter:

When Saul consulted the witch of Endor (1Sam.28), the unexpected result was the actual Samuel who appeared.

Or was it a demon pretending to be Samuel?  In life Samuel did not speak to Saul for some time so why would God allow Saul to call him back from the grave or from out of heaven?

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2019 6:32 AM

David Ames:
Or was it a demon pretending to be Samuel?  In life Samuel did not speak to Saul for some time so why would God allow Saul to call him back from the grave or from out of heaven?

Samuel prophesied to Saul about what would happen tomorrow, and it came to pass. It seems more fitting that Samuel, rather than a demon, would prophesy.

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2019 6:38 AM

MJ. Smith:
Huh?? Buddhists, whether Hinayana or Mahayana, deny the permanence of any entity including substance. There is no permanent "us" to be morphous or amorphous, recognized or not.

Yeah. That was my point. Perhaps an exaggerated restatement of the original issue of being non-recognizable entities, but a similar denial of the permanence of identifiable personhood, and the survivability (sp?) of relationships. The concept of being non-recognizable in the intermediate or final state seems to me to have an origin outside of Biblical thinking. Buddhism (or possibly an adaptation of it) was the closest I could come up with at the time. 

MJ. Smith:
BTW hinayana is a somewhat derogatory term "small wheel" applied to the conservative branch of Buddhism by the Mahayanists ("big wheel"). It is more commonly known as Theravadan Buddhism.

Oops! It's been a while since I interacted with those terms (probably more than 30 years) I meant Mahayana, in distinction from a more syncretistic folk type of Buddhism that might not hold to the same concepts in the same way.

And yes, I'm quite used to displaying my ignorance. Wink

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2019 10:34 AM

Josh:

James William Roberts, Jr.:

I have several people in a Bible study discussing whether we will know the people we knew on earth in heaven.

I am having trouble finding info to prove/disprove.

Any pointers/answers?

If you believe that believers will be resurrected with a body similar to Jesus' resurrected body, then you can explore the post-resurrection stories. In these stories, Jesus clearly remembered who his apostles were.

Your conclusion (not bolded) seems like a case of using an example that has all the earmarks of being a possible exception to the rule in order to establish the rule...sort of like using the thief on the cross as your example for "what's expected of one who is saved". Yeishuua` is 'Elohhiym.

Even so, when you mentioned "post-resurrection stories" (bold print), I thought you were going to make a relevant point, but left it hanging. In light of this comment...

Rich DeRuiter:
Also, remember there will be a physical resurrection. Our bodies will be like Christ's body, but they will still be our bodies. How can we doubt that we won't recognize each other?

...I would have thought that the two of you would recall the obvious fact that in the post-resurrection story of the road to Emmaus (Lk. 24:15, 16), it shows as plain as day that the disciples could be in His presence for an hour or more and not know who He was.

Again, I say to all, the evidence is not clear on this point, and your personal desire that it be otherwise has the potential be be a judgment against you. It is fundamental evidence of willfulness.

Regarding Samuel's "calling up", I suspect that the person most shocked by his appearance was the woman who called him up. She certainly gives that impression, perhaps because it had never really WORKED before. And since Sh'muu'eil bears a prophecy from 'Elohhiym which comes true, it seems pretty clear that YHWH chose to use Saul's clear example of rejecting His word regarding divination and necromancy to be the vessel of Shaa'uul's judgment of impending destruction. In other words, YHWH used the medium as the mechanism of judgment for consulting mediums. [Insert Marshall McLuhan pun here.]  The kindergarten Sunday school idea that YHWH can have no intercourse with "evil" is fundamentally false for a host of reasons clearly established in Scripture. So while, in the usual process of events, something like Samuel being brought back may not be possible for a human to accomplish, if YHWH has a reason of His own, nothing can prevent it from happening.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2019 11:29 AM

Josh:
If you believe that believers will be resurrected with a body similar to Jesus' resurrected body, then you can explore the post-resurrection stories. In these stories, Jesus clearly remembered who his apostles were.

Just a friendly discussion, several Logos books note the cornaecopia of information on anyone landing behind the gates of Hades, but a dirth of information on heaven. The latter primarily surround the occupants, but worse, largely reflect historic imagery (thrones with wheels, etc).

But using Jesus as a guide is not recommended. The judge of the living and the dead would likely need a good recognition memory. And the guys that followed Jesus around, didn't recognize him. Not good.


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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 3 2019 1:18 PM

Denise:

But using Jesus as a guide is not recommended. The judge of the living and the dead would likely need a good recognition memory. And the guys that followed Jesus around, didn't recognize him. Not good.

I almost mentioned the fact the He is Judge (thus requiring spot-on recollection), but then I recalled what Paulus said about the "we" of assumed salvation being judges of the "not we"...so I decided to let that quietly dwell in my broader "it's a mixed bag of uncertainty" designation.

That said, I just noticed the phrasing of the OP's question, which leads me to reconsider what qualifies as an appropriate answer. The question of "who will we know IN HEAVEN" assumes that we (or any human) goes to heaven, which is itself an assumption fraught with contrary Scriptural evidence. In a nutshell, no one goes to heaven...heaven comes to those who survive the Day of YHWH.

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Apr 4 2019 10:37 PM

David Paul:

...I would have thought that the two of you would recall the obvious fact that in the post-resurrection story of the road to Emmaus (Lk. 24:15, 16), it shows as plain as day that the disciples could be in His presence for an hour or more and not know who He was.

You are correct they did not recognize him. John 20:14 and 21:4 also seem to indicate that this is a common occurrence with Jesus in his resurrected body. However, if you can recall "the obvious fact", each case was only a temporary veiling of identity.

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Apr 5 2019 2:47 AM

David Ames:
why would God allow Saul to call him back from the grave or from out of heaven?

From Sheol, believed to be below (cf., Gen 37:35), not heaven believed to be up. Saul was soon to join him (1 Sam 28:19). People always go "down" to sheol and Samuel is brought "up" by the medium.

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