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Paul L. White | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Apr 29 2019 4:28 AM

For those of us with Windows 7 on our machines, the requirement for Windows 10 starting January of 2020 brings something of a dilemma.  We are going to have to either purchase that OS and install it on each of our current computers, or simply buy another one with Windows 10 already on it.

My question is: will there be an option for downloading resources and updates to a binary file of some sort, then transferring it from a Windows 10 computer to a Windows 7 one via our local network, and installing the new updates/resources that way...so the Windows 7 computers don't have to connect to the Internet?

I have no clue, of course, as to how difficult that would be.  If I'm spinning my wheels here, I do apologize.

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Kevin | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 29 2019 8:17 AM

Hi Paul,

You can follow the instructions at https://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_multiple_computers to save having to download and index everything again.

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Paul L. White | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 29 2019 9:43 AM

Thank you, Kevin.

Right now I only have my main PC and a laptop.  So I simply go through the normal update procedure with both instances of the software.

From reading the instructions, and focusing on Method 1, the only concern I would have is when we order, let's say, one book.  Then we'd have to back up and copy the entire library each time, or so it appears.

Also, what if Logos just came out with an update from 8.4 to 8.5, let's say?  Would the same steps still be in play?

Thank  you so much.

Paul

PS  I'm presuming that, between now and January, Logos will be aware of the dilemma, and create a routine (script) that people can use to transfer their updates to a Windows 7 machine.  Blessings.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 29 2019 10:16 AM

Paul L. White:
I'm presuming that, between now and January, Logos will be aware of the dilemma, and create a routine (script) that people can use

Just as Faithlife stopped supporting Windows Vista and older versions of MacOS, More likely they will abandon Win7 due to similar security concerns with older operating systems.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 29 2019 10:45 AM

Paul L. White:
PS  I'm presuming that, between now and January, Logos will be aware of the dilemma, and create a routine (script) that people can use to transfer their updates to a Windows 7 machine. 

Unlikely, because Faithlife will also end their support of Win 7 installations i.e. no software updates (if Logos uses a version of .NET released after Jan 14, it won't work on Windows 7), so you will be stuck with a legacy version that does work. Resource updates would be available as normal, but those that require newer versions of Logos will not work.

Paul L. White:
Also, what if Logos just came out with an update from 8.4 to 8.5, let's say?  Would the same steps still be in play?

That will happen within 6 weeks, but you should still be able to update normally. Why are you considering to remove the Internet?

Read the section Unsupported in https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360007391412 for further implications of remaining with Win 7.

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Paul L. White | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 29 2019 12:31 PM

Dave Hooten:  I am talking about what I will do in 2020 on my machines that still have Windows 7.  Since I'm on fixed income, I'm thinking my solution at that time will be to buy a refurbished computer with Windows 10 already on it.  That way I can keep using my older equipment.

But even if I bought a version of Windows 10 Pro, and put it on my current main PC, I will still have Windows 7 on my laptop.

The steps listed above in this post were for updating resources on another computer.  But I wasn't clear as to whether they applied to when your software is updated to a newer version.  I'm thinking strictly of January 2020.  Like someone said, though, the newer updates of the software itself at that time probably won't work on Windows 7...so I will have to be content to strictly move my library resources to the laptop once mid January comes upon us, and even some of those might not work.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, and thank you for your time.

Paul

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Kevin | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 29 2019 12:53 PM

Paul,

Sorry I misunderstood what you were asking.

Basically when Microsoft stops supporting Windows 7 in 2020, you will still have internet access, and if you have Logos installed, it will still work, and will still download new resources as you purchase them.

You will also be able to update the software until such a time that Logos starts using a dotnet feature that Microsoft does not release for Windows 7.

Even at that point, your Logos will likely still function as expected, and will still download new resources as needed, until such a time as there is a security issue such as the certificate problem last year that meant old version of Logos, whilst still functioning, would no longer be able to download new resources. This was a bit of a rare case, doubtful will see similar happening soon again, but its not a zero chance.

I would not think Faithlife will invest limited resources into providing an alternative way of installing resources on an offline computer.

You could also upgrade the laptop to Windows 10, I think system requirements are almost identical.

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 29 2019 1:08 PM

Paul L. White:
For those of us with Windows 7 on our machines, the requirement for Windows 10 starting January of 2020 brings something of a dilemma.  We are going to have to either purchase that OS and install it on each of our current computers, or simply buy another one with Windows 10 already on it.

By the way, Microsoft is silently still supporting free upgrades from Win 7 to Win 10. Just install Windows 10 on top of Win 7, or do a fresh install and enter a Win 7 product key, and Windows 10 will be fully activated. There's no need to purchase anything from Microsoft to accomplish an upgrade.

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Robert M. Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 30 2019 12:16 PM

Jan Krohn:
By the way, Microsoft is silently still supporting free upgrades from Win 7 to Win 10.

I didn't know that, which makes this a very valuable reply. Thanks, Jan! I just did this and everything worked fine, activation (silent; it just does it) and all.

For additional details, I found this page:  https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-you-can-still-get-a-free-windows-10-upgrade/ 

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 26 2019 5:30 PM

I thought that 10 cannot be installed over 7, that it needs a clean install.  In fact, Windows recommends buying a new computer instead of installing it.

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Tong Shin Kai Clarence | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 26 2019 7:14 PM

Windows 10 can definitely be upgraded from windows 7, however i am not sure if the free program is still available. If not might have to pay a fee. However upgrading to windows 10 might if the computer is too old suffer from performance degradation and slowness.

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 26 2019 8:09 PM

I asked if 10 can be installed over 7, without cleaning the hard drive and then installing.

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Paul L. White | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 27 2019 1:02 AM

Larry Craig:

The instructions that come with the software say that you can install with a choice:  leave the programs on it, leaving the programs in place, or install removing the programs, which means you'd have to reinstall them.

I am planning to leave the programs in place when I upgrade mine (purchased a Windows 10 on USB).  And, from the comments here, it looks like it's best to install only on my PC, not my laptop.  The laptop is already slower than the PC, even though the hardware configuration is almost identical.

I'm beginning to wonder if Logos is now already at the stage where you need Windows 10?  This last update really took a lot of work to install.  Rebooting the machine, three indexing processes, on and on.  It's never been that difficult before.  Blessings.

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Paul L. White | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 27 2019 1:06 AM

Larry Craig:

PS  Either choice you make, you install *over* Windows 7.

When I first started in the computer industry (30 years ago), it was recommended that you do as you suggest, and start with a clean hard drive.  My guess is that, in recent years, Windows has significantly improved its upgrade process.  That's my hope, anyway.

But your idea used to be the standard among computer professionals.  I just don't want to take the time to reinstall everything, especially since Logos now has all of its data on drive C.  Salute!

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 27 2019 7:53 AM

Thanks, Paul.  

I wish I could say I feel easier about getting 10 and installing it over 7, but I don't.  Especially when they recommend getting a new computer.  Not enough to clean the hard drive,  But then my computer was built for me by my computer guy and I asked for 7 instead of 8.  

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 27 2019 8:01 AM

Larry Craig:
Not enough to clean the hard drive

What do you mean by this? 

I am known as a Mac user, but there was a time when I used windows. I would wipe the hard drive every couple of years because windows NEEDS it. I'd recommend you back up your things and do the same! 

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 27 2019 8:12 AM

Years ago all the programs came on disks.  Now everything has to be downloaded.  I can back up files, but I'm told that programs need to be installed and not just copied.

The thought of having to rebuild everything from scratch is depressing.

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 27 2019 8:28 AM

Larry Craig:
The thought of having to rebuild everything from scratch is depressing.

If you buy a new computer, the same would need to be done.

If you wait for Win 7 EOL in just a few months, the same would need to be done.

If your hard disk is really that full that an upgrade to Win 10 no longer works, I doubt it's possible to delay rebuilding everything from scratch much longer that early 2020. But it's still enough time to think about how to reduce the effort to a minimum.

My idea would be to buy a new HDD or even SSD (at least double the size of your current one), and for your old HDD a casing with USB connector, so you can always connect it back to your computer and access all your files, and you keep the old HDD in that casing until you're at least100% certain that everything that you still need has been copied over.

When I do a full wipe, I always make a list of downloads and license keys beforehand. This is also always a good opportunity to make a decision about every piece of software whether it's still needed.

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Larry Craig | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 27 2019 8:32 AM

Thank you.  I really appreciate it.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 27 2019 9:14 AM

Jan Krohn:
My idea would be to buy a new HDD or even SSD (at least double the size of your current one), and for your old HDD a casing with USB connector, so you can always connect it back to your computer and access all your files, and you keep the old HDD in that casing until you're at least100% certain that everything that you still need has been copied over.

Unfortunately many (most!) Macs don't allow for that any more as the drives are attached to the board. When that wasn't the case, that was my strategy as well. I did use an old HDD with a USB case to back up my old MacBook Pro, which was sent off today to be sold. 

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