What is the future of the Canvas tool?

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, May 6 2019 7:00 PM

There has not been much attention paid to this tool since released. That leaves me wondering how popular it is, and what the future may hold for Canvas.

Do you use the Canvas tool in your bible study, lesson / sermon prep, etc? If so, how?

What do you like or dislike about the Canvas tool?

What features and capabilities would you like to see added to the Canvas tool?

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 6 2019 7:45 PM

Fred Chapman:
What features and capabilities would you like to see added to the Canvas tool?

Support for Hebrew, please.

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David Couch | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 7 2019 1:21 AM

I only started using it properly last week. Wish I'd taken the time sooner!

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Pastor Greg | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 7 2019 4:01 AM

Fred Chapman:
Do you use the Canvas tool in your bible study, lesson / sermon prep, etc?

Nope, never.

Fred Chapman:
What do you like or dislike about the Canvas tool?

I gave it up after a few minutes. It's really draggy. Even when just moving an object on the screen, the object lags behind the cursor, so that time just slows down while I use it. I haven't seen any uses for Canvas that I can't achieve with other applications (OmniGraffle, etc), without the annoying draaaag. It's like driving a car with mostly flat tires; it just feels squishy to me (that's a theological term). 

Fred Chapman:
What features and capabilities would you like to see added to the Canvas tool?

Make it really responsive, and I would be happy to spend the time to learn what it can do. 

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Tanner Thetford | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 7 2019 6:17 AM

Great tool! I use it every week for sermon prep. :)

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 7 2019 8:01 AM

Fred Chapman:
Do you use the Canvas tool in your bible study, lesson / sermon prep, etc?

After tinkering with it for a half-hour or so, I've never opened it again.

I view it as a trinket, built at the (programming) expense of things like fixing searches, building a good notes tool, etc.

I admit that some like the tool, and don't begrudge them. But I have yet to want to do some serious Bible study and play with crayons at the same time. Devil

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J. Remington Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 7 2019 8:53 AM

Fred Chapman:
There has not been much attention paid to this tool since released.

The tool isn't great at what I usually do (mind-mapping) and so I haven't really used it.

However as I was following a discussion last week where there was a lot of confusion a visual representation popped into my mind that clarified things (for me at least) and provided some ways forward.

I thought about how I might actually create this visual representation in the software I usually use for creating mind-maps (MindNode) and I just couldn't do it. Then it occurred to me that I could easily do this in Canvas and found that it was exactly what I needed. 

So while I haven't used it much since I usually mind-map, I did find it very useful in that situation. Since these sorts of situations do tend to rise occasionally, I'm sure I'll return to it in the future. 

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Tanner Thetford | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 7 2019 8:58 AM

I find the tool to be perfect for mind-mapping and that is my primary application. How do you find it lacking in this regard? 

Here is my map for Mark 2:1-12:

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 7 2019 10:52 AM

Tanner Thetford:

Great tool! I use it every week for sermon prep. :)

YesYes

I also use it weekly. Anybody who used the older sentence diagramming tool for a text flow diagram should easily find use for the Canvas. I use it to find repeated words and parallel constructions. Here is this coming Sunday's text that I will be preaching

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J. Remington Bowling | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 7 2019 1:58 PM

Tanner Thetford:

I find the tool to be perfect for mind-mapping and that is my primary application. How do you find it lacking in this regard? 

Here is my map for Mark 2:1-12:

I guess what I mean is that I do a very particular kind or sub-set of mind-mapping called argument mapping where it helps to have a more organized structure. Like this (from MindNode):

It's not that you can't do something like this in Canvas, I've done some simple things playing around with it:

It's just that creating these sorts of things in Canvas is a a lot more cumbersome than using something like MindNode, which automatically spaces nodes and keeps the nodes organized when you need to go back and edit an earlier node or rearrange them. 

Even for doing the sort of spider-web mind-map that you shared for Mark 2, it would be a lot easier for you to create that map in something like MindNode. 

P.S. Here is where I found Canvas helpful and capable of doing something that you couldn't do with a program like MindNode:

It's not a mind-map or an argument map, but more like a diagram. As far as I can tell, this is the only area where Canvas is useful in a way that mind-mapping software isn't. 

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James Hudson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 7 2019 2:49 PM

I love the concept and was a bigger selling point than Workflows (even more so now that it has a free draw function). It still seems a bit clunky to use for mind-mapping etc as has been suggested and probably needs more keyboard shortcuts for speed - but it is only in its initial v1.0 infancy stage and has a long way to go - but for a initial proof of concept it is great. For me (as with notes) the ability to add/import/paste images and tables would greatly improve its worth. I also agee there is a need to allow Hebrew text.

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William McFarland | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 8 2019 5:40 AM

I used it when teaching Colossians and liked it. I look forward to seeing it mature and also how other people use it.

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Darin | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 9 2019 12:07 PM

I used it for a teaching and was happy with the results. There is some lag to to it which can cause some frustration  

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 11 2019 3:35 AM

They should’ve done a mind map tool with integrated power point presentation instead.  It would’ve been more useful IMHO. Canvas is still too clunky to be used, at least in my case.

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 22 2019 7:54 PM

Not sure if they added the drop link to particular section in a resource (much like in favorites).

If that is available, canvas would be very helpful to do visual indexes on topics, where particular information can be found by pressing a link that takes to the area in a resource where the relevant information can be found.

Then if it is searchable, it would be a breeze to find the information that one has set a link to in that particular canvas.

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