Catalina (Mac OS 10.15) as of June 4, 2019

DON'T UPGRADE TO CATALINA AT THIS POINT

Hello Mac users - I know that you're all curious about Logos and Catalina.

I'm signed up as an Apple Developer, so I was able to download and install Catalina last night on a separate partition, and then downloaded Logos 8.

At this point the Logos installer will download the library, but crashes when Logos itself attempts to open.

As updates to Catalina are released, I'll test them and let you know what happens.

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Reuben Helmuth

Thanks for doing this Greg!

Jack Caviness

At this point the Logos installer will download the library, but crashes when Logos itself attempts to open.

Sometimes being on the cutting edge means that you may require a blood transfusion [:P]

Steve Maling

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1051688#Comment_1051688

Or, as a parishioner once expressed it to me, "You want to be on the leading edge, but not the bleeding edge."[:)]

ReformedPilgrim

DON'T UPGRADE TO CATALINA AT THIS POINT

Hello Mac users - I know that you're all curious about Logos and Catalina.

I'm signed up as an Apple Developer, so I was able to download and install Catalina last night on a separate partition, and then downloaded Logos 8.

At this point the Logos installer will download the library, but crashes when Logos itself attempts to open.

As updates to Catalina are released, I'll test them and let you know what happens.

same happens to me

Rino M. Dattilo

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1051714#Comment_1051714

So funny - I don't know what it is in LOGOS but every beta I can have 95% of my apps work, but LOGOS won't. I wonder what it is about Logos.

mab

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1051847#Comment_1051847

FL Mac developers will probably post something in the Desktop Beta forum when this becomes viable. They are probably just getting it installed now.

Philana R. Crouch

We do not suport beta versions of Operating Systems. Logos will support macOS 10.15.0 when it ships to customers in the Fall as a stable version.

Josh Monda

I am running the beta of Catalina as well as ios13. As a work around you can use the web app of logos which is what I am currently doing. A side note proclaim will not work either and some functional of logos on ios13 is not working. However here is something that is really cool. Because the iPadOs now loads webpages as desktop pages and looks like a desktop you can now go to the web app using your iPad and actually edit your sermon on your iPad using the sermon editor. What would be even cooler is if logos uses this opportunity of the new iPadOs to allow users to use the app to actually build their sermons.

Al Jennings

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1051847#Comment_1051847

my experience also

ReformedPilgrim

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1053342#Comment_1053342

Still not working in Beta 2

Jeffrey S. Robison

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1053346#Comment_1053346

Still not working in Beta 2

Logos Bible Software 8.6 Beta 3 (8.6.0.0027) has "magically" opened today for me in MacOS 10.15 Beta 2 (10.15 Beta (19A487l)). I am cautiously but eagerly "using" Logos as it downloads 3 GB of updates.

ReformedPilgrim

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1053588#Comment_1053588

Disregarding Catalina, how stable are the Logos betas? Have you ever had any major issues?

Jeffrey S. Robison

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1053591#Comment_1053591

"Ever had" is a tall order. Yes. But not in a long time. Some minor stuff that is irritating like stuff closing unexpectedly. I usually run maintenance scripts and it clears it up. I have not had any work stopping issues in a good long while. If I do I go to another machine. I would not have toyed with the betas back when working on my M.Div. I did not have time to be irritated or figure things out. I do not use L8 as heavily in language studies as I did then. I have a better working knowledge of the texts now and I am not writing papers on linguistic minutia... Yes, I know that is important... it is not part of my daily workflow. Out of curiosity, did Logos work for you in Catalina yet?

ReformedPilgrim

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1053599#Comment_1053599

I have not installed the new Logos Beta yet.

Fred Chapman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1053600#Comment_1053600

I have been running Logos on the Beta channel for about ten years now. It is advisable to have one computer running Beta and one running stable. However I like to live on the edge and tend to run beta's on both my desktop and laptop.

For the most part, with the exception of the expected bugs, the beta builds are pretty stable. When a major problem that makes Logos unusable slips through, a fix is usually released quickly.

I never run a beta OS

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1053605#Comment_1053605

However I like to live on the edge and tend to run beta's on both my desktop and laptop.

I have one desktop—no laptop—and run Logos beta constantly. The few times this has bitten me, Time Machine came to the rescue, and once I had to delete everything and reinstall—but then, I am old and senile [:P]

Reuben Helmuth

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1053691#Comment_1053691

I have one desktop—no laptop—and run Logos beta constantly. ...but then, I am old and senile

Have one laptop—no desktop—and also run Logos exclusively beta. I guess I’m in the young and stupid camp.😂

Mike Binks

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1053694#Comment_1053694

Have one laptop—no desktop—and also run Logos exclusively beta. I guess I’m in the young and stupid camp.😂

Are you really young?

ReformedPilgrim

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1053599#Comment_1053599

Out of curiosity, did Logos work for you in Catalina yet?

Just loaded the beta and it works in Catalina.

Reuben Helmuth

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1053827#Comment_1053827

Are you really [=actually] young?

Yes.

Are you really [= very] young?

No.

Just a little 33yr old upshoot.😉

Jimmy morales

Logos 8.6 Beta 3 saved the day. It works great with OS X Catalina.

Jimmy

Gregory Lawhorn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1055869#Comment_1055869

Logos 8.6 Beta 3 saved the day. It works great with OS X Catalina.

Works for me as well.

For the record, I'm running Mac OS 10.15 Beta (19A501i) and Logos 8.6.0.0046.

I've installed Catalina on my internal drive, using a secondary volume (created in Disc Utility). I also created a symbolic link to my Logos library under Mac OS 10.14, so no downloading was necessary.

Michael McLane

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1055876#Comment_1055876

What about the beta 2 just released today of MacOS?

Pastor Charles F. Reid, Jr.

Yikes!! Too late!

I will try to use the web version.

To be honest, a lot was paid for this program... This should NOT be the norm!

Still praising God as I go!

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056346#Comment_1056346

To be honest, a lot was paid for this program... This should NOT be the norm!

With all due respect... Beta software is for testing purposes. It is expected that things will not go right... which is why people test. I understand the desire to have the latest & greatest... but that is not the purpose of beta testing. Faithlife does not support its software on beta operating systems, nor should it be expected to do so. Faithlife SHOULD be expected to ensure that its software will run on the new OS upon its release OR provide warnings to hold off.

For those brave to experiment with Beta... Also note: Just because a particular piece of software works with one beta build does NOT mean that it will work with a later beta build. Apple can (and does) add things to the betas as they go along. These changes can cause software to become incompatible. I am not speaking theoretically, I am speaking from personal experience.

Pastor Charles F. Reid, Jr.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056357#Comment_1056357

With all due respect..

Thanks for your response. I'm sure they (you or whomever) are/is already working towards Logos working with this upgrade. I'm sure it will work as well as it always has. Since "BETA" versions are for testing, I'll continue to keep watch when it starts working. Otherwise, there may need to be a warning upon purchase at these conferences and such, concerning these kinds of things happening. I'm sure that it would be a deterrent for sales.

Yes, I am also aware of what being a "BETA" tester is about, and I've been through similar issues with programs over the years... but the OTHER programs that have high price points and have high usage, would PROBABLY have a patch by now. - THIS I am speaking from experience on my end.

Again, thanks for the response.

Robert Neely

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056360#Comment_1056360

Too funny!!!

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056360#Comment_1056360

I'm sure they (you or whomever) are/is already working towards Logos working with this upgrade.

Logos should be ready to go when macOS 10.15 is released. For clarification: I do not work for FL.

there may need to be a warning upon purchase at these conferences and such, concerning these kinds of things happening.

Logos works with the release version of macOS. No need for any warnings. [;)]

the OTHER programs that have high price points and have high usage, would PROBABLY have a patch by now

Technically Logos is free. [:P]

As for the other part, what do you mean by "high usage"? If you mean "billions of people use the software" then you are mistaken. Logos may have high market share in its category, but it is still niche software. It is a family owned business.

Lastly, if you think you know better, FL is always hiring talented new developers. [:)]

Anthony Dowden

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056360#Comment_1056360

Cannot say that I’ve seen any “patches” from anybody (not even Microsoft) to allow their programmes to run smoothly on ever-changing Beta versions of OPERATING SYSTEMS. Even a large company would not be able to keep up with all the changes.

Also, if you read through this forum you will see post after post advising you not to try to run Logos on beta versions of operating systems.

Play around as much as you want and have fun with the software. But if you won’t follow the rules then don’t belly-ache about it, please!

Joe Heng

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1053833#Comment_1053833

Hi Tim,

Do you know where I can download the latest Logos Beta. I can't launch Logos at all on Catalina. Thus I cannot set my Logos to update the beta version.

Thanks

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056399#Comment_1056399

Do you know where I can download the latest Logos Beta.

The latest was advertised at https://community.logos.com/forums/t/182533.aspx

However this is now the stable release so installing this may not necessarily help depending on what version you have installed.

This latest stable release was announced at https://community.logos.com/forums/t/182564.aspx - you could try the download links there.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056360#Comment_1056360

Yes, I am also aware of what being a "BETA" tester is about, and I've been through similar issues with programs over the years... but the OTHER programs that have high price points and have high usage, would PROBABLY have a patch by now. - THIS I am speaking from experience on my end.

Faithlife are committed to providing support for New OS (for current/supported versions of Logos); which means they will provide an update/patch when that new OS ceases to be a Beta. FL may provide fixes prior to then, as happened with the current v8.6 when it was in Beta. A final update could happen via a Service Release* of v8.6, after the new OS is released. However, it's not unknown for a release version of Mac to contain a change that affects Logos, so another Service Release would be needed!

* a Service Release is an update to the current version, and it can occur when/as needed; unlike a Beta version which runs on a fixed cycle (usually 6 weeks) before it is released.

Kevin A. Purcell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056403#Comment_1056403

Based on you guys saying it was working for a few of you I made the mistake of updating to Catalina and it WILL NOT START.

Yes I know. Not supported. Just warning for other people who might consider jumping on the beta bandwagon for macOS. DO NOT DO IT IF YOU WANT LOGOS TO WORK. It might, but might now. In my case does not.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056495#Comment_1056495

I have tried to beat the drum. [:)]

As a reminder: Just because it works now doesn’t mean that it will work in the future. Part of the beta testing process is to add features. When Apple doe this, it may break Logos. Beta 2 may be compatible but Beta 3 not.

Pastor Charles F. Reid, Jr.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056366#Comment_1056366

Technically Logos is free

Ok.

Pastor Charles F. Reid, Jr.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056403#Comment_1056403

Thanks

Looking forward to it!

Pastor Charles F. Reid, Jr.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056397#Comment_1056397

Thanks for your kind words.

Pastor Charles F. Reid, Jr.

Mine now works! I used this link: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/182564.aspx

Thanks for your assistance!

Jeffrey S. Robison

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056495#Comment_1056495

Kevin, I don't work for FL. But I had the same "hanging" on start issue when I first upgraded to Catalina. I deleted all my Logos caches in the OS library, ran cron scripts... and it started working for me. I am not saying this will fix yours. I am just sharing my experience. I am running macOS 10.15 Beta (19A501i) and Logos Bible Software 8.6 (8.6.0.0052). Hope it gets working for you.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056535#Comment_1056535

Mine now works!

Great! [:)]

Remember, however, that future beta updates to macOS may break Logos again. I have had this happen in previous beta testing.

Al Jennings

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056538#Comment_1056538

When I attempt to open 8.6.0.52 I get this error message: "Logos" can't be opened because Apple cannot check it for malicious software.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056615#Comment_1056615

When I attempt to open 8.6.0.52 I get this error message: "Logos" can't be opened because Apple cannot check it for malicious software.

In the current and recent previous versions of macOS, there is a security feature in System Preference which allows users to install only software downloaded from the App Store. Did you check to make sure that was disabled?

Al Jennings

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056622#Comment_1056622

No I did not. I found out that had to right click on logos and then click open. I'm in now. Thank you.

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1053591#Comment_1053591

Disregarding Catalina, how stable are the Logos betas? Have you ever had any major issues?

Logos betas are way more stable than OS betas. If you're willing to use an OS beta, you should be willing to use a Logos beta.

(My personal experience is that I've been using Logos betas exclusively since Logos 4 launched. In all that time I've only had one show-stopping bug that I couldn't work around - that was a crash on start up that took about five days to fix, but which left me without Logos for my Sunday prep.)

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056654#Comment_1056654

If you're willing to use an OS beta, you should be willing to use a Logos beta.

At this point, what can it hurt? Right? [:)]

Kevin A. Purcell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056538#Comment_1056538

ran cron scripts.

Forgive my ignorance, (maybe proof I shouldn't be running betas of macOS) but what? Not sure what you mean here or how to do this.

Robert Earl Houston

Grrr . . . I wish I had seen this before I started Beta Testing . . .

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1060041#Comment_1060041

Grrr . . . I wish I had seen this before I started Beta Testing . . .

Just understand that Mac beta operating systems can wreck anything, and stay clear of them!

Tommy Bell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1055869#Comment_1055869

how did you get the beta? I am still having the problem and would love to try something to get my logos back working

Joe Heng

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1062584#Comment_1062584

You can try this. I was directed to this link.

This latest stable release was announced at https://community.logos.com/forums/t/182564.aspx - you could try the download links there.