New Wesleyan Packages a Disappointment

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Jul 8 2019 9:17 PM

As a long time Logos customer - almost from the get go - and as a Wesleyan in theology, I am disappointed in the new Wesleyan packages from Faithlife.  I am practically out of debt to Logos at this point, which has been a rare state for the past 20 years.  Nothing in these packages tempts me to take out another payment plan.  

In fact, there is only one thing that will ever tempt me to make another major Faithlife purchase, despite having made many in the past.  That one thing is if Faithlife ever manages to publish the Bicentennial Edition of Wesley's Works from Abingdon.  Until that is done, the new Wesleyan packages are just fluff, at least for me.  I already own the good stuff in those packages.

I current have to rent electronic access to the scholarly edition of Wesley's Works online because that is only way to have it in a workable electronic form.

I am not foolish enough to think that I am that important to Faithlife.  But I do wish the Faithlife customers who have an interest in Wesley would ask for this resource.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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Jesse Blevins | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 9 2019 3:51 AM

I second Michael's request. 

Until Logos get's these works there will always be something missing from  the Methodist Base Packages. 

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 9 2019 4:37 AM

Michael Childs:
the Bicentennial Edition of Wesley's Works from Abingdon

Maybe it would help if you would contact Abingdon about that. Currently it seems they decided to do business with Faithlife only under an ebooks contract (formerly known as Vyrso) - the one exception being the NIB and NIBD. Someone would need to convince them that the scholarly edition f Wesley's works is worth an exception like this.

Or they could at least bring it to the ebook store, although this would mean lacking links to other resources. Abingdon don't seem to hesitate putting scholarly works out there (and ask scholarly prices, too!).

I doubt the publisher will be giving permission to put such a work into a base package (note that the Lutheran base packages don't include the definite edition of Luther's Works either), but making it accessible in Logos would be worthwile.     

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Aaron Hayworth | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 9 2019 5:48 AM

I've contacted both Abingdon and Faithlife with an email encouraging this. I don't think they realize how much demand is there from seminarians, dedicated Methodists and Wesleyans, and pastors. 

I got Logos 8 Gold Anglican rather than Wesleyan & Methodist for this very reason. I will likely pick up individual commentaries and systematics rather than getting another base package. 

Thomas C. Oden's "John Wesley's Teaching" just came out on Logos and I got that on preorder. Adding that work and the Bicentennial edition to a Methodist package would be awesome. 

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 9 2019 7:28 AM

I, too, have contacted both Abingdon and Logos a number of times over several years.  I agree that Thomas Oden's work on Wesley's Teaching and The Bicentennial Wesley's Works would be awesome.

Abingdon has published about 23 Volumes of The Bicentennial Wesley's Works, and more are published every year.  It is the only scholarly edition of Wesley's Works available.  They published a CDROM of some of the early volumes, but the CDROM software is a very inferior product - almost unusable. The CDROM was designed for out of date versions of Microsoft Windows, and did not really work well from the start.   (Of course, I bought it for what it is worth.)  There is a better version available of those early volumes online through a premium subscription to a Methodist pastor's resource service.  (I subscribe to it also.)  But you have to be online to use it, and it does not have half the volumes available.  Basically, it has the content of the inferior CDROM, but works better.  Other than that one must use the paper volumes, which are excellent.

We really, really, need this scholarly edition of John Wesley's Works in Logos Bible Software.  Just as a Calvinist (and all Christian theologans) need the Works of Calvin and Spurgeon.  I continue to hope and pray that Faithlife and Abingdon Press make it happen.

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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Aaron Hayworth | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 9 2019 11:45 AM

Absolutely absolutely. And if it is as NB Mick has said, and Abingdon only works through ebooks contracts, then that needs to be amended to get these titles on Logos proper. Most of the best Wesleyan theology is out on Abingdon and the imprint Kingswood.

Logos would knock it out of the park if they got some of the great works of Methodist theologians from the past half century. Wainwright's Doxology, Hays' Moral Vision of the New Testament, and the work of Runyon, Cobb, and others. 

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 14 2019 7:59 PM


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Jordan Litchfield | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 14 2019 10:07 PM

I would also urge FL to rigorously pursue obtaining the critical edition of Wesley's works. If they are serious about providing Wesleyan products for Wesleyan readers, then this is a necessity.

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Christopher Easton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 20 2019 12:49 PM


I agree with your post entirely! I would also be interested in purchasing a critical edition of Wesley's works. I can't believe it has taken this long. There is so much available on Logos but this is a major work not being allowed on the LOGOS format.

Thomas Merton resources only have few titles too...I would love to see his whole life work available.

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Chris Easton

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