NEW STUDIES IN BIBLICAL THEOLOGY

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Whyndell Gizzard | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Jul 9 2019 1:57 AM

How many actual volumes are there in Logos- I own all except one that's in prepub- my count is 47 volumes- but the numbering on the volume covers or title page says I should have 48, are all the volumes available in this series in Logos now?

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 9 2019 2:20 AM

Whyndell Gizzard:

How many actual volumes are there in Logos- I own all except one that's in prepub- my count is 47 volumes- but the numbering on the volume covers or title page says I should have 48, are all the volumes available in this series in Logos now?

There are 47 listed on the IVP website

https://www.ivpress.com/new-studies-in-biblical-theology

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Whyndell Gizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 9 2019 5:38 AM

Thanks I was just wondering why Logos  had the latest version number 48

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Robert Neely | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 9 2019 3:14 PM

including the one that dowloaded today, there are 47 live books.

This one is forthcoming:

https://www.logos.com/product/175395/the-feasts-of-repentance-from-luke-acts-to-systematic-and-pastoral-theology 

Looks like 48 total

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 9 2019 3:37 PM

Robert Neely:

including the one that dowloaded today, there are 47 live books.

This one is forthcoming:

https://www.logos.com/product/175395/the-feasts-of-repentance-from-luke-acts-to-systematic-and-pastoral-theology 

Looks like 48 total

That forthcoming one is volume number 49, according to Google Books. So there should be a total of 49.

Turns out that Volume 39 is missing, both from Logos and from the IVP website. According to Google Books, it's God Has Spoken in His Son (2016). I wonder what happened to it. It is listed on IVP's "Out of Print" list as of Spring 2017. Something drastic must have caused them to pull it, because that's only a year after it was published, and all the others are still in print. The print version is available from Amazon, but it must be in high demand (due to its rarity) because minimum used price is $382.44, and min new is $674.96.

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Robert Neely | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 9 2019 3:49 PM

my bad!  I have 48  books that are live in this series   I got #39 before it was pulled.

as to #39,

https://www.frontgatemedia.com/ivp-issues-statement-about-peter-obrien-plagiarism-issue/ 

So when the prepub goes live, Logos will have all 48 books that are available today (and some will have all 49 volumes if you bought the O'Brien volume before it was pulled.  Agree, it is very good).

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Whyndell Gizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 9 2019 4:07 PM

I have this volume  God Has Spoken in His Son (2016) in Logos but I also have a PDF of it, which was probably due to the fact I converted this series to PDF and carried it around on dvd for years.

So I guess I do have them all so far- just waiting on the next pre-pub to be released.

By the way the Obrien book is excellent.

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Kevin A Lewis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 10 2019 1:17 AM

To clarify

The title

God Has Spoken in His Son

Front Cover Peter T. O'Brien Fell down the hole created when O'Brien failed to the pass the strict plagiarism rules that now dog the academic arena. He admitted himself that his lifetime of note taken didn't fully record every source from which his notes were taken. So when he used these notes to write he did not have the supporting citations available to him. The title (along with others by him) have been pulled by the publishers. And yes the book(s) is/are very good. Shame. Shalom
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Bobby Terhune | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 10 2019 8:54 AM

We also are missing Volume 11 "Salvation to the ends of the earth" by Andreas J. Kostenberger and Peter T. O'Brien. It was O'Brien's work that was the reason IVP pulled this title as well. O'Brien's commentary's are excellent and were always highly rated by his peers. His work on Hebrews was my favorite.

So it looks like we are missing two volumes from the series.

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Whyndell Gizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 10 2019 10:42 AM

Bobby Terhune:

We also are missing Volume 11 "Salvation to the ends of the earth" by Andreas J. Kostenberger and Peter T. O'Brien. It was O'Brien's work that was the reason IVP pulled this title as well. O'Brien's commentary's are excellent and were always highly rated by his peers. His work on Hebrews was my favorite.

So it looks like we are missing two volumes from the series.

Ahh! this one I have in paperback but not in Logos- to bad its dog eared read it several times- may make a PDF out of it.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 10 2019 12:49 PM

Bobby Terhune:
We also are missing Volume 11 "Salvation to the ends of the earth" by Andreas J. Kostenberger and Peter T. O'Brien. It was O'Brien's work that was the reason IVP pulled this title as well.

I have that in Logos. Must have gotten it before it was pulled by IVP.

Bobby Terhune:
O'Brien's commentary's are excellent and were always highly rated by his peers. His work on Hebrews was my favorite.

Apparently his commentaries had some of the same plagiarism issue (lack of proper citation) as they are no longer published in the Pillar series. I also got those in Logos before this issue came to light.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 10 2019 3:33 PM

Kevin A Lewis:

To clarify

The title

God Has Spoken in His Son

Peter T. O'Brien Fell down the hole created when O'Brien failed to the pass the strict plagiarism rules that now dog the academic arena. He admitted himself that his lifetime of note taken didn't fully record every source from which his notes were taken. So when he used these notes to write he did not have the supporting citations available to him. The title (along with others by him) have been pulled by the publishers. And yes the book(s) is/are very good. Shame. Shalom

I guess those strict rules don’t apply to R.T. Kendall who in his Understanding Theology volumes quotes verbatim from dictionaries and other sources as if he was the one who actually came up with the material.  Zero citations given! Unless copyright laws were different back in 1996, then his work should be pulled for plain, straightforward plagiarism.

DAL

Ps. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve used and adapted his material in classes and added citations, my point is: If we can have R.T. Kendall, then why can’t we have O’Brien or Kostenberger?

They all contribute to people’s spiritual growth!

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 10 2019 5:28 PM

Agreed! I just wish I got a hold of O'Brien's WBC 44 before it flew off the servers. It is quoted everywhere!  Maybe someone will make a pdf or doc of it and put it in the file forums for me someday :)

I did snag a paper copy off of ebay so there is that at least

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 10 2019 6:24 PM

DAL:

Ps. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve used and adapted his material in classes and added citations, my point is: If we can have R.T. Kendall, then why can’t we have O’Brien or Kostenberger?

They all contribute to people’s spiritual growth!

Yes! The fact that these volumes are still engaged by the public is a testimony to the author. I'm glad that Justification and Variegated Nomism made the cut. I have and prize all of the deprecated volumes mentioned in this thread. Since I'm lay I don't have to worry about the scholarly muddle.

Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

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David Couch | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 11 2019 1:39 AM

I wonder if there is a plan to do a 'revised edition' of them in the future. A lot of places, as people have said, reference them - particularly inside Logos! (Theres a few MobileEd courses that heavily use them)

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Paul Caneparo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 11 2019 2:38 AM

DAL:

Kevin A Lewis:

To clarify

The title

God Has Spoken in His Son

Peter T. O'Brien Fell down the hole created when O'Brien failed to the pass the strict plagiarism rules that now dog the academic arena. He admitted himself that his lifetime of note taken didn't fully record every source from which his notes were taken. So when he used these notes to write he did not have the supporting citations available to him. The title (along with others by him) have been pulled by the publishers. And yes the book(s) is/are very good. Shame. Shalom

I guess those strict rules don’t apply to R.T. Kendall who in his Understanding Theology volumes quotes verbatim from dictionaries and other sources as if he was the one who actually came up with the material.  Zero citations given! Unless copyright laws were different back in 1996, then his work should be pulled for plain, straightforward plagiarism.

DAL

Ps. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve used and adapted his material in classes and added citations, my point is: If we can have R.T. Kendall, then why can’t we have O’Brien or Kostenberger?

They all contribute to people’s spiritual growth!

I used to attend RT Kendall's Friday Night School of Theology. The Understanding Theology books are the notes from his talks. Obviously in a talk you wouldn't necessarily reference all your sources. Maybe in the books they should have, although I wonder if the difference is that the books are intended for a lay audience and not expected to be quoted in an academic setting. I regularly indirectly quote from helpful things I've read, but don't quote my source while preaching as I'm trying to build up the church and not to come across as a lecturer.

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Whyndell Gizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 11 2019 5:18 AM

Personally, please note I said personally- I think these resources were removed for no good reason- should be put back into Logos, and he author should supply a supplemental reference biblio.

I quote these resources, and use their info all the time- no one cares about this issue- they ask and I tell them- they just shrug.

 

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 11 2019 5:51 AM

Whyndell Gizzard:

Personally, please note I said personally- I think these resources were removed for no good reason- should be put back into Logos, and he author should supply a supplemental reference biblio.

I quote these resources, and use their info all the time- no one cares about this issue- they ask and I tell them- they just shrug.

 

Just pay the royalties associated with it and be done with the issue.  I agree, they should put them back in the market!

DAL

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