Please check this base package out - it should be educational for many

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019 6:58 PM

In the Catholic Products forum, my attention was drawn to Verbum 8 Biblicum Standard, a new base package. It "was created in collaboration with the Pontifical Biblical Institute." I would like everyone to look at the resources that this official Institute chose. Why? Because it illustrates the degree to which high quality Bible study is independent of theological leanings. And how much we can share as long as we read critically.

It is so tempting to also use this as a soapbox as to why Verbum/Logos software divide should remain only a setting away. Wink

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 3 2019 8:06 PM

Goodness. Even the Peshitta. And those sly dogs included Aramaic Bible too. It IS quite unbelivable!


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Dale E Heath | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 3 2019 8:18 PM

I also was curious about this and was wondering why the other Verbum BPs have a 20% discount, but not this? I sent a query to my sales rep, but no answer yet.

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 4 2019 1:04 AM

The one thing in this package that's kind of interesting is the scope of foreign language texts. Sort of like BibleWorks if you need that. 

I have most everything in this package save for a handful of commentaries, those foreign language texts, and the Verbum training. 

We can always toss a coin to see who is playing catch-up. Geeked

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Manuel Maria | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 4 2019 6:21 AM

Does 'standard' mean that there will be more Verbum 8 Biblicum packages?

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Ben | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 4 2019 10:50 AM

That looks fantastic. Easily the best package so far for people like me. 

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Joseph Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 4 2019 2:57 PM

That is a great package!

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 4 2019 4:32 PM

Filled with lots of fillers I can’t use IMHO and I wouldn’t pay $900 for it.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 4 2019 4:59 PM

DAL:
Filled with lots of fillers I can’t use IMHO and I wouldn’t pay $900 for it.

Verbum.com:
Designed for: Academic biblical scholars

You are absolutely correct that this is not the best package fit for much of the FL customer base. But I can't resist pointing out you have a $1,600 overlap with it. I picked up NICOT at a fire sale price as I had a larger overlap.

 

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Dale E Heath | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 5 2019 2:55 PM

My sales rep responded twice: I followed up with a few departments on this one.  It looks like this was a custom bundle that was created for a conference and doesn’t qualify for the discounting at the moment.

And then: Good news! It looks like we were able to get that approved for 20% off!

That brings it down to a reasonable price for me.Big Smile Recheck your price.

https://www.logos.com/product/182577/verbum-8-biblicum-standard

 

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 5 2019 3:09 PM

Dale E Heath:

My sales rep responded twice: I followed up with a few departments on this one.  It looks like this was a custom bundle that was created for a conference and doesn’t qualify for the discounting at the moment.

And then: Good news! It looks like we were able to get that approved for 20% off!

That brings it down to a reasonable price for me.Big Smile Recheck your price.

https://www.logos.com/product/182577/verbum-8-biblicum-standard

 

Academic audience or not, it still doesn’t offer that much for $795 which is only $105 less with the discount.  I’m good, though; so this one is definitely skipper.  Plus, I don’t read german, korean or any other language included in the package. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ‘Œ

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 5 2019 3:47 PM

Dale E Heath:

And then: Good news! It looks like we were able to get that approved for 20% off!

That’s what I admire about Faithlife, that they care about their customers! Thank you, Dale, for asking, and FL, for being flexible.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 5 2019 4:55 PM

Biblicum is brilliant for people who want:

  1. Critical, technical commentaries on both testaments.
  2. Original language texts and tools for the OT, NT and Septuagint
  3. Multilingual Bibles and interlinears

If that's you, it's certainly worth checking out.

(For those who are interested, my commentary rules already cover the commentaries included in this base package.)

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 5 2019 5:59 PM

MJ. Smith:
It "was created in collaboration with the Pontifical Biblical Institute."

Biblicum is a common name for the Pontifical Biblical Institute run by the Jesuits (Society of Jesus). It occurred to me that many might not realize this. This is a list of classes for the upcoming academic year that would be supported to varying degrees by this package:

Pontifical Biblical Institute:

PHILOLOGICAL SECTION

Introductory courses  [1 semester course = 15 ECTS]

  • GP1107 Greek I-II [in Italian] (5 hrs/wk, I sem.): Prof. Luca Pedroli
  • GP2109 Greek I-II [in English] (5 hrs/wk, I sem.): Prof. Sunil Clifard Ranjar
  • GP1207 Greek III-IV [in Italian] (5 hrs/wk, II sem.): Prof. Luca Pedroli
  • GP2209 Greek III-IV [in English] (5 hrs/wk, II sem.): Prof. Sunil Clifard Ranjar
  • HP1110 Hebrew I-II [in Italian] (5 hrs/wk, I sem.): Prof. Luigi Santopaolo
  • HP2112 Hebrew I-II [in English] (5 hrs/wk, I sem.): Prof. Wiesล‚aw Jonczyk
  • HP1210 Hebrew III-IV [in Italian] (5 hrs/wk, II sem.): Prof. Luigi Santopaolo
  • HP2212 Hebrew Hebrew III-IV [in English] (5 hrs/wk, II sem.): Prof. Wiesล‚aw Jonczyk

Advanced courses  [each course = 5 ECTS]  

  • GA1107 NewTestament Greek, A [in Italian] (3 hrs/wk - I sem.): Prof. Dean Béchard
  • GA2105 New Testament Greek, A [in Italian](3 hrs/wk - I sem.):Prof. Dean Béchard
  • JERGA8 New Testament Greek, A (I sem. - at the PBI in Jerusalem): Prof. (to be announced)
  • GB1210 New Testament Greek, B [in English] (II sem.): Prof. Dean Béchard
  • GB2205 New Testament Greek, B [in English] II sem.): Prof. Dean Béchard
  • HA1110 Biblical Hebrew, A [in Italian](3 hrs/wk - I sem.): Paola Mollo
  • HA2111 Biblical Hebrew, A [in English] (3 hrs/wk - I sem.): Paola Mollo
  • HB1210 Biblical Hebrew, B [in Italian] (II sem.): Paola Mollo
  • HB2211 Biblical Hebrew, B [in English] (II sem.): Paola Mollo
  • HC1102 Biblical Hebrew, C [in Italian] I sem.): Prof. Agustinus Gianto
  • HC2202 Biblical Hebrew, C [in English] (II sem.): Prof. Agustinus Gianto
  • AB1107 Biblical Aramaic [in Italian] (I sem.): Prof. Luigi Santopaolo
  • AB2208 Biblical Aramaic [in English] (II sem.): Prof. Anthony Soo Hoo
  • OX1106 Septuagint Greek, A [in Italian] (I sem.): Prof. Daniela Scialabba
  • OX2206 Septuagint Greek, B [in Italian] (II sem.): Prof. Daniela Scialabba
  • DS2103 Hebrew Syntax and Semantics [in English] (I sem.): Prof. Agustinus Gianto
  • DS2103 Greek Philology, A ([in Italian] (I sem.): Prof. Enrico Cerroni
  • D2204 Greek Philology, B ( [in Italian] (II sem.): Prof. Michele Napolitano

[For Oriental Faculty]

ISAGOGICAL and HISTORICAL-GEOGRAPHICAL SECTION  [each course = 3 ECTS]

Archaeology and Geography

  • PA1207 Archaeology and Geography of Ancient Near East [in Italian] (II sem.): Prof. Ida Oggiano
  • PA-TS2 Archaeology and Geography in the Holy Land [September 1-29, 2019 - at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Jerusalem - in Italian]: Prof. Josef Mario Briffa

Textual Criticism

  • CT1101 Textual Criticism of the Old and New Testament [in Italian] (I sem.): Prof. Stephen Pisano

Hermeneutics

  • MI1107 Biblical Hermeneutics and Exegetical Methods [in Italian] (I sem.): Prof. Pasquale Basta
  • MI1210 Biblical Hermeneutics: A Lonergan Approach [in English] (II sem.): Prof. Gerard K. Whelan

History of the Old Testament

  • RV1136 History of Ancient Israel (XIII-VI Centuries B.C.) [in Italian] (I sem.): Proff. P. Dubovský A. Gianto
  • RV1231 Old Testament Background: History and Religion [in Italian] (II sem.): Prof. Paolo Merlo
  • JERRV1 The Southern Levant (13th to 5thc. B.C.) (I sem. - in Jerusalem): Prof. Josef Mario Briffa

History of the New Testament

  • RN2124 Jews and Christians in a Roman Imperial World [in English] (I sem.): Prof. Katell Berthelot
  • RN1225 Flavius Josephus and the History of the NT [in Italian] (II sem.): Prof. Joseph Sievers
  • JERRN7 The First Century Context of the NT (I sem. - in Jerusalem): Prof. Josef Mario Briffa

EXEGETICAL-THEOLOGICAL SECTION  [each course = 5 ECTS]

Old Testament

I semester

  • IV1117 Introduction to the Dead Sea Scrolls [in English]: Prof. Emanuel Tov
  • EV2150 Divine Covenant and Law in Pentateuch [in English]: Prof. Dominik Markl
  • EV3136 King David or the Invention of the Human [in Italian]: Prof. Craig Morrison
  • EV4147 «Trito-Isaiah»: Text, Themes, and Theology [in English]: Prof. Dominic S. Irudayaraj
  • EV4148 Book of Daniel: History and Visions [in Italian]: Prof. Agustinus Gianto
  • TV5113 The Psalms and the Psalter: texts and contexts [in Italian]: Prof. Daniela Scialabba
  • TV2103 The God of Abraham and the God of Moses: Theologies of the Pentateuch [in Italian]: Prof. Jean Louis Ska
  • IN2105 Introduction to the Synoptic Gospels [in Italian]: Prof. Marc Rastoin
  • EN2151 The Presentation of the Messiah (Matt 1-4) [in Italian]: Prof. Henry Pattarumadathil
  • EN3140 John 18-19: Passion and Death of Jesus [in English]: Prof. Michel Segatagara Kamanzi
  • EN5138 1st Corinthians [in English]: Prof. Oda Wischmeyer
  • EN5127 Letters to Timothy and Titus [in English]: Prof. Philip Towner
  • EN8128 The configuration of the Lamb in the Book of Revelation [in Italian]: Prof. Luca Pedroli
  • RN2124 Jews and Christians in a Roman Imperial World [in English]: Prof. Katell Berthelot
  • DS2103 Greek Philology, A [in Italian]: Prof. Enrico Cerroni

II semester

  • IV1214 Introduction to Exegetical Methods [in English]: Prof. Dominik Markl
  • EV2238 Josephus and HIs Brothers(Gn 37-50) [in Italian]: Prof. Federico Giuntoli
  • EV3242 Judges 3-16 [in Italian]: Prof. Paul Béré
  • EV3243 Theology of the Books of Chronicles [in English] Prof. John Endres
  • EV4249 In the Time of the End: Jer 14-15 [in Italian]: Prof. Benedetta Rossi
  • EV5245 Hebrew Poetry: Forms, Genres and Wirkung [in Italian]: Prof. Jean-Pierre Sonnet
  • TV1216 Sin and Forgiveness [in English]: Prof. Gary A. Anderson
  • IN1212 The Jewish Apocalyptic Literature [in Italian]: Prof. Joseph Sievers
  • EN2249 The Passion Narrative in Mk and Mat [in English]: Prof. Henry Pattarumadathil
  • EN2259 The Prophet in Galilee (Luke 4-9) [in English]: Prof. Sunil Clifard Ranjar
  • EN3241 Gospel of John (cc. 13-14) [in Italian]: Prof. Maurizio Marcheselli
  • EN5226 Ephesians 1-[in Italian]: Prof. Juan Manuel Granados Rojas
  • TN2218 The Parables in the Fathers: the Eschatological Expectation [in Italian]: Prof. José Luis Narvaja
  • DS2206 Hebrew Syntax and Semantics [in English]: Prof. Agustinus Gianto
  • DS2204 Greek Philology, B [in Italian]: Prof. Michele Napolitano

From the Pontifical Gregorian University

  • DS3104 From the binding of Isaac to the cross of Christ [in Italian] (I sem.): Prof Massimo Gargiulo
  • DS3105 Midrashic Readings of the book of Lamentations [in English] (I sem.): Prof. David Meyer
  • MI1210 Biblical Hermeneutics: A Lonergan Approach (II sem.): Prof. Gerard K. Whelan
  • DS2206 Theology and Jewish Thought of the Second Temple( [in Italian] (II sem.): Prof. Luca Mazzinghi
  • DS3207 Origins of the Alexandrine Tradition: Exegesis and Theology [in Italian] (II sem.): Prof. Matthias Skeb

From the Pontifical Institute of Christian Archaeology (PIAC)

Courses valid for the Licentiate curriculum at PBI:

  • PIAC01 /PIAC02 Initiation to Christian antiquities [in Italian] (I-II sem.): (several professsors)
  • PIAC03 /PIAC04 Ancient Christian Epigraphy (I) and Epigraphy Exercises (I) [in Italian] (I-II sem.): Prof. Danilo Mazzoleni
  • PIAC05 Ancient Christian Cemeteries [in Italian] (I-II sem.): Prof. Vincenzo Fiocchi Nicolai

From the Pontifical Institute for Arabic and Islamic Studies (PISAI)

Courses valid for the Licentiate curriculum at PBI:

  • PISAI01 Introduction to the Quran + Bible and Quran [in English and in Italian] (I sem.): Proff. C. Clohessy and V. Cottini

SEMINARS (*)

  • SM0102/SM0202 Introductory Seminar in Methodology (I and II sem. - in Italian[1 ECTS]: Prof. Stanisล‚aw Bazylinski

I semester

  • SV2120 Pentateuch and Hellenism [in Italian]: Prof. Federico Giuntoli
  • SN3116 The Characters of the Fourth Gospel [in Italian]: Prof. Michel Segatagara Kamanzi
  • SV5138 Book of Job [in English]: Prof. Michael Kolarcik
  • SV1129 Politics in the Bible and Biblical Politics [in English]: Prof. Dominik Markl
  • SV4137 Methodology for the Study of Prophetic Books [in Italian]: Prof. Benedetta Rossi
  • SV1117 Introduction to the Historico-Critical Method [in Italian]: Prof. Jean Louis Ska
  • SA1107 Hearing the Bible in Three Different Keys [in Italian]: Proff. Peter Dubovský, Philipp Renczes, David Meyer
  • SV3110 History and Theology in 1-2 Maccabees [in Ital. or Engl.): Prof. Joseph Sievers
  • SV4138 Readings in the Septuagint of Jeremiah [in English]: Prof. Emanuel Tov
  • SA1108 History and Culture of the ANE and the Hebrew Bible [in English]: Prof. Anthony Soo Hoo

II semester

  • SV1230 Human Sacrifices in the OT [in English]: Prof. Paul Béré
  • SN5227 Retorica antica ed esegesi paolina [in Italian]: Prof. Juan Manuel Granados Rojas
  • SV5236 The Psalms: Genre, Structure, Unity [in English]: Prof. Michael Kolarcik
  • SN2239 I miracoli di Gesù nei sinottici [in Italian]: Prof. Henry Pattarumadathil
  • SN3215 OT Quotations in the Gospel of John [in English]: Prof. Stephen Pisano
  • SV1206 Narrative Techniques of the Old Testament [in Italian]: Prof. Jean Louis Ska
  • SV1231 State Formation and Kingship [in English]: Prof. Joseph Briffa
  • SV5238 Ben-Sira and the Use of the Scripture [in English]: Prof. Nuria Calduch-Benages
  • SV1232 Analisi del discorso (Discourse Analysis[in Italian]: Prof. Paola Mollo
  • SA0229 Conceptions of Divinity in the ANE and the Hebrew Bible [in English]: Prof Anthony Soo Hoo

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 5 2019 8:32 PM

Some of these PBI courses would make excellent mobile Ed courses under the Verbum branding, provided they were in English, but would be of interest to users from all Faith traditions. 

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Allen Browne | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 22 2019 11:37 PM

MJ. Smith:
n the Catholic Products forum, my attention was drawn to Verbum 8 Biblicum Standard, a new base package. ...

MJ, thank you for drawing my attention to this package. I finally gave in and bought it today (while 20% off) -- mostly for the Targums (Aramaic Bible) and AYB.

There's also a new Verbum 8 Academic package, in Standard, Premium, and Pro. Dynamic pricing made Pro worthwhile too.

PS (edit)

This didn't end up being as good value as I'd hoped. A quarter of the Anchor Yale Bible commentaries (22 of 90) are missing from the Biblicum Standard package.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2019 12:42 AM

Allen Browne:
There's also a new Verbum 8 Academic package, in Standard, Premium, and Pro.

Thanks, Allen, I hadn't seen those packages.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2019 3:47 AM

PetahChristian:

Allen Browne:
There's also a new Verbum 8 Academic package, in Standard, Premium, and Pro.

Thanks, Allen, I hadn't seen those packages.

Virtually the same old stuff (e.g. ICC, TDOT, etc.).  I decided to just pick up a couple of Gold upgrades and got more for my money ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ‘Œ

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2019 9:16 AM

DAL:

Virtually the same old stuff (e.g. ICC, TDOT, etc.).  I decided to just pick up a couple of Gold upgrades and got more for my money

I didn't have Fr. Devin's training videos, so that worked out well for me. Grateful!

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2019 9:29 AM

PetahChristian:

DAL:

Virtually the same old stuff (e.g. ICC, TDOT, etc.).  I decided to just pick up a couple of Gold upgrades and got more for my money

I didn't have Fr. Devin's training videos, so that worked out well for me. Grateful!

I had the videos from a Verbum Silver upgrade, both the homiletics one and the how to perform Searches video.  I‘m not really interested in the Academic videos. Both standard and Verbum professional are virtually $218 for me, but I’m good for now.  Maybe when they do a last minute sale right before Logos 9 comes out I’ll reconsider and buy one ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ‘Œ

DAL

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